Void Warrantee??

[rjs_speed3]

Basically i just have a few questions about modifying my car, and would it void warrantee..

1. Aftermarket BOV?
2. Rims?
3. Powder coating stockers?
3. Turbo timer?
4. Gauges?
5. Suspention? (lowering)

Would any alterations in any of these topics void warrantee?

Thanks in advance!!

Peace,
RJ

[GoFast]

i know at peoples mazda they are pretty strict. I talked to a service writer about that kinda stuff.
1. yes it will void the warranty
2. no it will not void it
3. no it will not void it
4. depends. If you have an electrical issue that can in anyway be traced back to the wires that are tapped into to install the turbo timer, then they can void the warranty
5. again if any problem is linked/caused by any of the gauges or related hardware to operate the guages, then yes.
6. it will only void the warranty on anything suspension related. if you put non MS springs on it, and your rack and pinion blows out, they may be able to void your warranty.

[rjs_speed3]

6. what do you mean?

[GoFast]

i edited the previous answers. if you put any after market part on your car it does NOT void the entire warranty, only the system and or systems that it is directly related too. I.E. put turbo timer on and there is an electrical short, the wiring will not be covered under warranty. if the turbo timer is installed and your oil pan starts leaking, it will be fixed under warranty

[rjs_speed3]

so basically, if i were to lower the ride, and nothing goes wrong (suspension wise) it wouldn't void my warrantee?

[GoFast]

correct. its not like if you change a part your entire warranty is void.

[GoFast]

and on that note, I have a Greddy full auto turbo timer brand new in the box if you want it. PM me if interested

[clos561]

none of that unless you splice wires to tap in for turbo timer. and if the springs are mazda you should be ok

[GoFast]

none of that unless you splice wires to tap in for turbo timer

yeah but there is no plug and play for a TT for the MS3

[CaSHMeRe]

a BOV will NOT void your warranty. where do you find your info go fast?

Everything you just asked depends on the Dealership, and they won't VOID your ENTIRE warranty. They will void peace by peace. Forinstance, a short throw shifter WILL VOID YOUR SYNCROS, HOWEVER, it will NOT Void your Turbo/Engine Warranty.

Again, it depends on the Dealership.

I can walk in with my FMIC, CAI, STS, BOV, and be fine with my dealership, but that's because i developed a personal relationship with the guyz. They know my stuff is good, and not hurting, so they work on it! Not to mention, almost everything under the hood has been moved around.

My best suggestion. Go to the dealership and ASK. Don't come on here trying to figure it out. Find what your dealership will allow and what they won't allow.

[TheMAN]

putting rims on your car *could* cause warranty issues.... such as wheel bearings and suspension components as well as drivability concerns such as "noise" due to tires rubbing on the body.... it could also cause ABS problems

[GoFast]

a BOV will NOT void your warranty. where do you find your info go fast?

Everything you just asked depends on the Dealership, and they won't VOID your ENTIRE warranty. They will void peace by peace. Forinstance, a short throw shifter WILL VOID YOUR SYNCROS, HOWEVER, it will NOT Void your Turbo/Engine Warranty.

Again, it depends on the Dealership.

I can walk in with my FMIC, CAI, STS, BOV, and be fine with my dealership, but that's because i developed a personal relationship with the guyz. They know my stuff is good, and not hurting, so they work on it! Not to mention, almost everything under the hood has been moved around.

My best suggestion. Go to the dealership and ASK. Don't come on here trying to figure it out. Find what your dealership will allow and what they won't allow.

i got my info from a Mazda dealership that is local for me and him. we both live in Vegas. If you read my first post, you will see that I said according to people Mazda and according to the service writers at that particular dealership, yes a BOV will void the warranty

[rjs_speed3]

:D thanks guys!

[eddienyny]

Stickers WILL void your warranty so beware!

[lebox97]

"Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act"
read up on it.
http://www.mlmlaw.com/library/guides/ftc/warranties/undermag.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act

any time I have a dealer threaten me with a "we won't fix it under warranty" comment - I simply (and nicely) asked them to put it writing as to why they would not fix item under warranty.
(Then, I would have something in writing to either fight it out with the manufacturer of the vehicle, AND/OR fight it out with the manufacturer of the after market part that was deemed by the dealer to have caused the problem. It is also a good idea to get the manufacturer of the after market part involved as well, to back you up with their experiences with manufacturer/dealers/warranties - and get them to stand behind their product.)

so far - every dealer I have dealt with has backed down upon asking for the "in writing" explanation...
then again I don't go overboard with mods, bling bling, boost guages, Nitrous, and racing stickers etc while the vehicle is under warranty to attract attention. If so - then I live by the - "if your gonna play, your gonna pay" motto like a big boy, and take my chances.

[lebox97]

NOTE: manufacturers and perhaps some dealers do read the different forum sites to see what people do to their vehicles - so it always amuses me to see a sig with a long list of mods done (for bragging) - then have same person whine about warranty issues later!!?? keep a low profile folks!

[clos561]

lol yea i had my n ame and shit but then i just did my county and state. no way to find my info now i believe

[crashkelly]

just put whatever you want on and void your warranty...then you wont have the stress of wondering what voids the warranty ever again! JK...but seriously I know people who get away with murder on warranty issues and then I know people who get fucked for something as stupid as a "Do it yourself" type fix for something that was too little to even bother taking to the dealership.

It's a real gray area with warranties. You can say "Magnus...whatever" act to a dealer all you want, but the way they wrote that thing the language is open enough to interpretation that they can still fuck you. Like say you had a motor mount break and destroyed half your trans/engine, but you have aftermarket rims (that are bigger) and lowering springs. Well the way they word it could fuck you....One dealership might be real cool and realize hey that is not your fault....but then there are always assholes out there that would want to talk their way out of doing it under warranty and would be like "uh well he has aftermarket suspension components that directly affected the stiffness of the ride...his stock motor mounts were not engineered based on his specs. They were based on mazdas. So by changing the rims and springs his modification caused undue stress on his motor mounts".

The point is it is all in the language and everything is so vague that you really just need to find a good dealership.

But most importantly remember: IF YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT ISNT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY...DONT COME CRYING TO THIS FORUM WHEN SOMETHING BREAKS AND THEY WONT COVER IT! sometimes you deserve what you get when you try to fake out the dealer and pretend you didnt modify the car.

[rjs_speed3]

ok, so i called the dealership up, and they told me:

1. Aftermarket BOV -- Void warrantee
2. Rims -- Will not void warrantee
3. Powder coating stockers -- Will not void warrantee
4. Gauges -- Void warrantee
5. Suspention (lowering) -- Void warrantee *unless it's the Mazdaspeed lowering kit

boooo... (notcool) I guess I can't do a few things that i was planning, unless i wanna break the factory warrantee... Rims, at least for now...

[lebox97]

as has been pointed out "void warranty" is not referring to the whole vehicle warranty but to a specific part that has failed...
and, the failure is determined to have been caused by the aftermarket part.

and I'd argue that if a wheel hub, ball joint, or some other wheel or suspension component fails - they could argue that it was caused by aftermarket rims.

Think about it - you tow the broken vehicle in and it is full of gauges, a nitrous kit, drag slicks, roll cage, 6 point seat belt harness, reprogrammed ECU, racing stickers, etc etc - what do you think they are they going to tell you?

in theory - anything you change on vehicle from factory setup could void a part warranty, the key is low profile mods, some common sense, and good relationship with the dealer service department - and they'll work with you not against you.

[knowledge007]

a BOV will NOT void your warranty. where do you find your info go fast?

Everything you just asked depends on the Dealership, and they won't VOID your ENTIRE warranty. They will void peace by peace. Forinstance, a short throw shifter WILL VOID YOUR SYNCROS, HOWEVER, it will NOT Void your Turbo/Engine Warranty.

Again, it depends on the Dealership.

I can walk in with my FMIC, CAI, STS, BOV, and be fine with my dealership, but that's because i developed a personal relationship with the guyz. They know my stuff is good, and not hurting, so they work on it! Not to mention, almost everything under the hood has been moved around.

My best suggestion. Go to the dealership and ASK. Don't come on here trying to figure it out. Find what your dealership will allow and what they won't allow.

I couldn't have said it better myself...

[Ryz]

The dealer doesn't have to simply "state" that the product caused the problem, they would need to "prove" that it caused the problem. Especially if you took it to court.

[rjs_speed3]

The dealer doesn't have to simply "state" that the product caused the problem, they would need to "prove" that it caused the problem. Especially if you took it to court.


good point..

[fourthmeal]

Wait, I live in Vegas too; nice, there are now 3 of us LV people (cause I'm not a Vegan) so far that I know of on this forum.

People's Mazda may be more strict then then Courtesy Mazda on center on Gibson in Henderson, where Cedric works.

[GirlieGurl]

I prefer Courtesy. Haven't had a problem yet with those guys.

[GoFast]

Wait, I live in Vegas too; nice, there are now 3 of us LV people (cause I'm not a Vegan) so far that I know of on this forum.

People's Mazda may be more strict then then Courtesy Mazda on center on Gibson in Henderson, where Cedric works.
you dont happen to work on patrick and sandhill do you??

[GoFast]

The dealer doesn't have to simply "state" that the product caused the problem, they would need to "prove" that it caused the problem. Especially if you took it to court.

with all do respect that is a great theory, but do you have the time and resources to sit there and argue with them for an hour, a day, week, month or longer to get your car fixed?? and heaven for bid, you have to get a lawyer, you could have just paid for the part.

My original remarks were made for a fellow las vegas speed3 owner in respects to one of the 2 mazda dealers out here. until you directly deal with that particular dealer you have no place to say what can and can't void the warranty.

[Ryz]

with all do respect that is a great theory, but do you have the time and resources to sit there and argue with them for an hour, a day, week, month or longer to get your car fixed?? and heaven for bid, you have to get a lawyer, you could have just paid for the part.

My original remarks were made for a fellow las vegas speed3 owner in respects to one of the 2 mazda dealers out here. until you directly deal with that particular dealer you have no place to say what can and can't void the warranty.

As soon as they void without proof, I'd get an attorney. If they can't prove it you get lawyer fees/court costs included when they lose. They count on people like you that roll over and play dead. What's the difference wether it is LV or Chicago or Miami, they still have to follow the law.

[GoFast]

people like me? lol

again it is a great theory, but any modification you do to any car is asking for trouble. Especially when it comes down to performance vehicles. As a plaintiff in a case like this it is a lot harder to win because you need to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that your after market part did not cause a problem and there only duty as a defendant is to raise an alternative theory that would cast doubt on your case. It is much easier for a defendant to win a case like this. They could look at your tires and if they are worn more on the drive wheels than the neutral wheels, the argument could easily be made that you were abusing the vehicle. they could go into the little black box and look at your max speed or rpm and create a reasonable doubt. there are so many factors that could be used against you, that to some, it isn't worth the risk.

[Ryz]

people like me? lol

again it is a great theory, but any modification you do to any car is asking for trouble. Especially when it comes down to performance vehicles. As a plaintiff in a case like this it is a lot harder to win because you need to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that your after market part did not cause a problem and there only duty as a defendant is to raise an alternative theory that would cast doubt on your case. It is much easier for a defendant to win a case like this. They could look at your tires and if they are worn more on the drive wheels than the neutral wheels, the argument could easily be made that you were abusing the vehicle. they could go into the little black box and look at your max speed or rpm and create a reasonable doubt. there are so many factors that could be used against you, that to some, it isn't worth the risk.

Except that the Dealership has to prove it, not you. So all this ^^, means nothing. Black box, wheels mean nothing. They have to prove the component caused the problem.

[GoFast]

again, it is pretty simple. My original post was what 1 of the 2 Mazda dealers here in las vegas said. and considering the original poster of the thread called the dealer that i was referring to and was told the same thing, i would go with the that. If you have a problem with your car and bring it in with your ets tmic, turbo timer, race pipe and boost gauge, and your dealer decides not to cover it, oh well too bad for you. You are not smarter than than the lawyers and master engineers that design the cars and write the warranties. they get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to protect the manufacturer. Now maybe you have a dealer that is a bit more leniant and passionate about these cars than Peoples Mazda of las vegas, but i for one am not risking it and personally I think it is incredibly irresponsible of you to suggest to somebody that their warranty wont be voided by adding after market parts to their car. If you are wrong, are you going to pay for the damages that need be fixed when Mazda doesn't cover it? are you going to pay the lawyer fees and lost wages to him if he loses his case?? i don't think so.

[Kosh]

It really depends on the situation. Installing an aftermarket product will not throw up a red flag that voids your entire warrenty. You can swap your air filter with coffee filters and you would still have a warrenty.

Just because a dealer says one thing does not mean they are correct. If you get denied warrenty service and they say xyz mod was responsible be sure they give reasoning behind why the product caused the problem.

Be careful what you install in your car. Make sure the product you are trusting in your car is good quality and that you don't mess up the installation. Take responsibility for your actions but don't just bend over for the dealer.

[Ryz]

again, it is pretty simple. My original post was what 1 of the 2 Mazda dealers here in las vegas said. and considering the original poster of the thread called the dealer that i was referring to and was told the same thing, i would go with the that. If you have a problem with your car and bring it in with your ets tmic, turbo timer, race pipe and boost gauge, and your dealer decides not to cover it, oh well too bad for you. You are not smarter than than the lawyers and master engineers that design the cars and write the warranties. they get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to protect the manufacturer. Now maybe you have a dealer that is a bit more leniant and passionate about these cars than Peoples Mazda of las vegas, but i for one am not risking it and personally I think it is incredibly irresponsible of you to suggest to somebody that their warranty wont be voided by adding after market parts to their car. If you are wrong, are you going to pay for the damages that need be fixed when Mazda doesn't cover it? are you going to pay the lawyer fees and lost wages to him if he loses his case?? i don't think so.

As I said earlier, they love people like you.

[GoFast]

As I said earlier, they love people like you.


lol whatever dude. have fun when your car blows up

[GoFast]

this is for everybody that is concerned with warranties and after market parts...

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2669.html

[Ryz]

lol whatever dude. have fun when your car blows up


If you believe that any of the mods I've done could cause that to happen I feel sorry for you.

[rjs_speed3]

this is for everybody that is concerned with warranties and after market parts...

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2669.html


You think if i showed this to the dealership, they would honor it? lol if so then i can mod like crazy... :)

[SuperStretch18]

this is for everybody that is concerned with warranties and after market parts...

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2669.html

This basically says the same thing that everyone here was saying. Installing a BOV does not mean you can no longer get warranty service (no matter what a dealer says). Issues attributable to the BOV will not be covered, but if an engine mount blows, Mazda still needs to fix it. Period.

[rjs_speed3]

This basically says the same thing that everyone here was saying. Installing a BOV does not mean you can no longer get warranty service (no matter what a dealer says). Issues attributable to the BOV will not be covered, but if an engine mount blows, Mazda still needs to fix it. Period.

they have to? no matter what???

[SuperStretch18]

Assuming that you are still within the warranty period and didn't take a jack-hammer to it...

[fourthmeal]

Recalls are independent of warranty periods, thankfully.

[SuperStretch18]

Point taken. Recalls aside, I still stand by my point. Replace "engine mount" with "transmission" or "power window motor" and you get the idea...

[GoFast]

This basically says the same thing that everyone here was saying. Installing a BOV does not mean you can no longer get warranty service (no matter what a dealer says). Issues attributable to the BOV will not be covered, but if an engine mount blows, Mazda still needs to fix it. Period.

that is correct. It is like I have been saying all along. Just because you have a blow off valve and the engine mount breaks doesnt mean that you arent covered. the problem has to be tied to the aftermarket part that was installed. If you put on a downpipe and intercooler and the engine blows because it leaned out, they do not have to cover it.

[SuperStretch18]

That is absolutely correct. Mazda should not have to pay for bone-heads. :D