New Ms3 Driver HELP ME

[GullyBoy21]

When racing should i have the DSC OFF or ON? and why(sick)

[MS3ICA]

if your just racing a straight line trun the dsc off, its traction control and stability control it cuts the power applies the brake etc.. its good to have if you loose contorl but in a straight drag your better of with it offf

[GullyBoy21]

thank you man. :-)

[///M Compact]

Just disable the DSC and leave at @2800 rpm. Launch at too low a rpm and you'll bog, too high and you'll incinerate the front tires.

[MS3ICA]

thank you man. :-)

a couple of tips since your new, if you get the cold air intake youll be able to hear the turbo sounds really coool, and if you take off the resinators and the muffler the sound is awsome and its not to loud or expensive

[GullyBoy21]

(2thumbs)if you get the cold air intake youll be able to hear the turbo sounds really coool, and if you take off the resinators and the muffler the sound is awsome and its not to loud or expensive

How much like $260.00? which one should i get? and dont i have to redirect where the intake takes the air? wont it suck water if its realy poring out side? wont i use more gas with the intake? wont it mess with my engine check light? (boom02)

[clos561]

mazdaspeed intake is 300 shipped from tiffany at showcase..u can get some cheaper ones at www.protegegarage.com

[Abaddon]

which one should i get?

Mazdaspeed


wont it suck water if its really pouring out side?

No


wont i use more gas with the intake?

No


wont it mess with my engine check light?

No

[Kosh]

if your just racing a straight line trun the dsc off, its traction control and stability control it cuts the power applies the brake etc.. its good to have if you loose contorl but in a straight drag your better of with it offf

DSC (from what I understand) corrects understeer. If you are making a turn at speed it gives more power to the outside wheel.

Traction control is a different system that keeps the wheels from spinning off. It limits throtle if the wheels are not gripping the road. This is the system that is active while under acceleration. Before you start the car hold down the DSC button around 5 seconds then turn the ignition. It is pretty easy to chirp these tires while trying to accelerate through a corner.

I only turn both off for auto-x. You will see how overpowered this car is even in boost limited second while trying to come out of a 20 mph turn into a straight and it takes you a couple seconds of chirping the tires to get the car moving.

What type of racing are you doing?

[GullyBoy21]

OKay im going to get the Mazdaspeed3 CAI n tint my windows. THATS IT. I'm broke as it is. I think thats enought for now right?

[MS3ICA]

it wont suck in water unless you park in a lake with the engine running, and cp-e is the best bet, i have a mazdaspeed version and its great but the boosts spike to high becuase of the increased air flow cp-e designed thier maf sensor housing to prevent that. thats better i dont know if other vendors do that but i know mazdaspeed doesn't and i feel the effects... it runs great don't get me wotg but if i floor it in the upper gears the boos spikes and the competer cuts the fuel becuase its not tuned for the additional airflow, cp-e version helps with this issue with thier engineered maf housing.

[GullyBoy21]

DSC (from what I understand) corrects understeer. If you are making a turn at speed it gives more power to the outside wheel.

Traction control is a different system that keeps the wheels from spinning off. It limits throtle if the wheels are not gripping the road. This is the system that is active while under acceleration. Before you start the car hold down the DSC button around 5 seconds then turn the ignition. It is pretty easy to chirp these tires while trying to accelerate through a corner.

I only turn both off for auto-x. You will see how overpowered this car is even in boost limited second while trying to come out of a 20 mph turn into a straight and it takes you a couple seconds of chirping the tires to get the car moving.

What type of racing are you doing?

How do u turn the traction back on?... I race short drag races when a car cualifies to go against me. I have eight points on my license, i have to be good till july 27, 2008 then i would only have 2 points. What is Auto-X? teach me stuff i'm a sponch. plz. (uhm)

[MS3ICA]

a boost guage is a must too, i have mine bolted on my steering collum its perfect!!!! thats also how i can tell my boost is skpikeing to 20psi in the upper gears

[GullyBoy21]

it wont suck in water unless you park in a lake with the engine running, and cp-e is the best bet, i have a mazdaspeed version and its great but the boosts spike to high becuase of the increased air flow cp-e designed thier maf sensor housing to prevent that. thats better i dont know if other vendors do that but i know mazdaspeed doesn't and i feel the effects... it runs great don't get me wotg but if i floor it in the upper gears the boos spikes and the competer cuts the fuel becuase its not tuned for the additional airflow, cp-e version helps with this issue with thier engineered maf housing.

Okay what is (cp-e)? n if i get the mazdaspeed version can i tune the car to function with it? n how like where would i go for a cheap pricwe to tune it.(boom03)

[MS3ICA]

How do u turn the traction back on?... I race short drag races when a car cualifies to go against me. I have eight points on my license, i have to be good till july 27, 2008 then i would only have 2 points. What is Auto-X? teach me stuff i'm a sponch. plz. (uhm)

[GullyBoy21]

a boost guage is a must too, i have mine bolted on my steering collum its perfect!!!! thats also how i can tell my boost is skpikeing to 20psi in the upper gears

Show me pictures or links plz...

[MS3ICA]

Okay what is (cp-e)? n if i get the mazdaspeed version can i tune the car to function with it? n how like where would i go for a cheap pricwe to tune it.(boom03)

cp-e is custom performance engineering, www.cp-e.com, ive ordered the cp-e stanback system it can be tuned for there cold air intake not to mention other mods , look on todays posts they posted the "first 400hp speed3" just yesterday. I f you want real power and a better running motor there stanback system or the xede is good!, but the cp-e is ony 650 bucks and its supposed to be more sophisticated

[MS3ICA]

Show me pictures or links plz...

[Kosh]

How do u turn the traction back on?... I race short drag races when a car cualifies to go against me. I have eight points on my license, i have to be good till july 27, 2008 then i would only have 2 points. What is Auto-X? teach me stuff i'm a sponch. plz. (uhm)

You turn traction back on by pressing the DSC button again or turning the car off and back on. No way to turn it back on without turning the car off and starting it with DSC button held down again. It is like going into race mode where you have more direct control over the way the car handles and gets power but it also makes it more unruly for daily driving applications.

Auto-x is the most fun you can have in this car other than track racing :)

Basically it is a short 45 second~ course set up out of cones. Cars go 1 at a time and try to get the fastest time in their class. Courses are relatively slow and you make time by control of throttle and brake through turns and driver ability rather than the power of the car.

http://www.scca.com/Solo/Solo2.asp?IdS=63520D-CB04E60&x=050|030&~=

[GullyBoy21]

Sweet man. I appriciate you guys taking the time to help me. Im realy intrested in buying a CAI n tinting my windows mayby get that boost guage. I'll be talking to you guys. Im getting out of work now lol. Where u people live? Im in NY. I hope u dont get annoyed of my car questions.

[Kosh]

Here is an auto-x run posted by another member so you can get an idea what it is like.

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Asking questions is great! We are all here to learn :)

[GullyBoy21]

Yeah man... i've to learn alot.
I just got my wondows tinted the car looks sick. Just waiting for some bubbles to evaporate. I spoke to my mazda speed dealer... they said they would intall my Mazdaspeed3 CAI for me. Should i let them install it for me just incase something happens?

[destrux]

[QUOTE=Kosh;3349756]DSC (from what I understand) corrects understeer. If you are making a turn at speed it gives more power to the outside wheel.

Traction control is a different system that keeps the wheels from spinning off. It limits throtle if the wheels are not gripping the road. This is the system that is active while under acceleration. Before you start the car hold down the DSC button around 5 seconds then turn the ignition. It is pretty easy to chirp these tires while trying to accelerate through a corner.

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Does this actually work?... has anyone else tried it? Not that I',m calling you a liar, but I would have expected something like that to be a bigger topic (a sticky even) on the forums. I mean, the only reason for turning off the traction control is to wear out some particularly expensive tires faster... but still.

Also, I just noticed you said DSC distributes more power to the outside tire to prevent understeer. This would actually not prevent understeer. Putting more power to the outside tire would only overload that tire more, causing the understeer to get worse. The outside tire is loaded alot more than the inside tire, and when the front tires "give up the ghost" and start understeering, the only way to stop it is to cut power from the outside tire and distribute more of it to the inside tire. BUT. The LSD is already doing just that. Since the inside tire has to spin slower than the outside tire, the amount of power distributed to the inside tire is more (while it's on the ground anyway) If the inside tire lifts, all the power goes to the outside tire because the LSD tightens up. That's how a clutch type or visccous LSD works, and that's one of the reasons why successful autocrossers try so hard to keep the inside tires from lifting. Back to how the DSC stops understeer. It uses the brakes and e-throttle. If you're understeering badly, it cuts power to bring you back inline. If you are understeering while on the brakes, it brakes the inside rear wheel to pivot the car back in the proper direction. Oversteer is a little more complex to correct for. It depends on why the car is oversteering. Any of the four wheels may need brake correction (either more or less pressure) and the throttle may need to be cut. I dont know if the system will ever actually apply more throttle, but for legal reasons, I doubt it. Even if it would help, I think it would be too much liability for the car to accelerate by itself without the driver telling it to. It might just make an unexperienced driver panic. The only reason I know how the DSC works is because there was a huge article about it in one of the free tech magazines that shows up to our shop every month. They specifically covered Ford and Mazda DSC systems.

Either way though. The DSC works awesome. Most people get better lap times using it than disabling it. Plus on the street it WILL save your A$$. On the TEST DRIVE of my car the sales guy said "go ahead and punch it", and I did, and right about then the car hit a dip and started to swap ends (oversteer). I hit the brakes and I could feel the DSC whip the car back into line. Awesome. Scared the $hit out of the sales guy though. Don't think he'll ever tell someone to punch it again.