MS3 vs. SRT-4

[iBoost]

Got a couple of friends in here who are arguing which one is faster stock for stock, the ms3 or srt4(dunno). need an answer. thanks

[driver311]

Same, ive had both.

[iBoost]

Same, ive had both.

thanks man.

[Sacrilicious]

Same, ive had both.

+1

it's too close to care about.

[winniep]

I have had both as well and would have to say the SRT-4 by the slightest of margins. I will say that so far the SRT can make WAY more power. Stock internals anyway. Now if we could just find the limits of the MS3...........

[Falconx84]

new or old srt4? caliber or neon?

[iBoost]

new or old srt4? caliber or neon?

neon

[zoom-zoomhatch]

As far as straight line goes the srt is slightly faster, I had one and they just feel more like a straight line purpose built sort of car. And they're a couple years ahead of us in the modding game but we'll catch up eventually.

[speed3shon]

he did say stock for stock...

[sfalexi]

lol. I pulled up behind an SRT4 on the short ride home today and just got a little twang of competition in my gut. Man. I really love to for the first time have a car that's all my own, with some b@lls in it, and really look forward to modding it.

Alexi

Oh yeah. And at some point, I'm gonna have to start learning to really drive. So I can use that car more to it's potential.

[trufanatic]

The srt for is faster than the ms3 stock for stock up till about 80 when they run out of gas, the td04lr cant breath that high all they have is low down grunt where it counts to be honest. I've also owned both cars, had my srt4 for three year when i got really tired of the traction issues.

I've raced one stock for stock and from 30 to 120 he had a fender on me. we did one from 50 to 120 and i had him up top and kept walking.

[winniep]

Sigh....I do miss my SRT and in a couple of years (when the price gets in the sub $10,000 range) will probably buy a wrecked one so I can gut it, build it, and leave just enough on it to be street legal. And really, as far as the Caliber goes, I don't think I could stomach being seen in one regardless of it's power potential. Why would you shrink a Durango and call it a sport compact? Anyway, as a daily driver, hands down the MS3 wins. Fit and finish is leaps and bounds beyond ANY SRT-4 new or old. Now that we are starting to see some actual power from our Mazdas, big turbo ain't too far off hopefully. (drive)

[HiggyGT]

I also owned a 2004 SRT-4 before the speed3 and stock for stock it is definatly a drivers race. They will take you off the line every time but you'll catch themin the end. From a roll its who ever gets there foot to the floor first. As for racing a moded one, unless your heavily moded dont bother, you'll get walked bad.

[ragindark]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6oL0GXubQCk

[Sacrilicious]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6oL0GXubQCk

don't forget: he's asking about the srt-4 neon...not the caliber...;)

[iBoost]

don't forget: he's asking about the srt-4 neon...not the caliber...;)

yeah.. after i watched the video i was like wait.. this doesnt look like the interior of a neon to me...

[clos561]

wow i just posted that without knwoing it was on this thread...

[laloosh]

here me against a srt4.
I had i/tbe/17psi at the time
He had i/open downpipe/20psi/fmic/wastegate

it was a 40 roll, the srt4 owner said i wasnt worth his gas

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/97474013-5df9-433c-9ce8-99dc00967ab4.htm

[MS3Chik]

haha that was awesome

[winniep]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No. THAT was awesome (shocked)

[clos561]

lol ive seen that before. i saw one that i thought was you..forgot what else u raced tho

[laloosh]

i raced alot of cars on video, i took it down cause i dotn want to get in trouble locally lol

srt4s, cobalt, mach, evos, stis, rsxs...ect

[iBoost]

here me against a srt4.
I had i/tbe/17psi at the time
He had i/open downpipe/20psi/fmic/wastegate

it was a 40 roll, the srt4 owner said i wasnt worth his gas

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/97474013-5df9-433c-9ce8-99dc00967ab4.htm

haha kewl. thanks man.

[Dream]

I love the comments, lol.

[trufanatic]

I love the comments, lol.

ditto. alot of the comments i can bet were srt owners being dicks. From owning both, the MS3 has top end the srt will never have when both are on stock turbo, plus our turbo is larger and more efficient than the td04..

[x'ed]

i love srtforums. but alot of srt4 owners are way to fuckin arrogant with their cars. They are like the 21st century version of 1990's mustang guys.

[jaydubz]

I would like to nominate laloosh as our official spokes person for the Mazdaspeed3! Awesome run Laloosh, I would love to drop that video on a SRT4 forum!

[oneofakindms3]

dats funny all srt-4 owners by me r cocky as hell LMFAO!!!!

[trufanatic]

dats funny all srt-4 owners by me r cocky as hell LMFAO!!!!

i dont care much for name calling but when you have the fastest fwd car made to date, and if you kno your history, yes faster the the shelby GLHS.. a sense or arrogance will always follow. do you blame them? knowing bone stock you can blow away 60-70 percent of the cars on the street? i dont, some take it too far IMO, but the srt community is one of the cooler around. if you want to get on the arrogance and dick head topics, go to the evo and sti forums.

[happy and angry]

if you want to get on the arrogance and dick head topics, go to the evo and sti forums.Or look around this thread.

[Sierra117]

i dont care much for name calling but when you have the fastest fwd car made to date, and if you kno your history, yes faster the the shelby GLHS.. a sense or arrogance will always follow. do you blame them? knowing bone stock you can blow away 60-70 percent of the cars on the street? i dont, some take it too far IMO, but the srt community is one of the cooler around. if you want to get on the arrogance and dick head topics, go to the evo and sti forums.

You are kidding, right? This is why SRT-4 owners get a bad name. I can think of a good bunch of cars off the top of my head that I see on a very regular basis that, stock for stock, would blow an SRT out of the water.

[boostdog]

You are kidding, right? This is why SRT-4 owners get a bad name. I can think of a good bunch of cars off the top of my head that I see on a very regular basis that, stock for stock, would blow an SRT out of the water.

that cost less than 22k in 2003 and newer? let see the list.

[iBoost]

(jacked) lol jk

[Sierra117]

that cost less than 22k in 2003 and newer? let see the list.

Who fucking cares about cost? When I go out and race, I don't skip lining up against someone and say "Hey, I'mnot ognna race you, your car cost more." Thats as bad as the BMW guys I know that say "so what if you beat me, I'm still going home in a BMW."

[x'ed]

i dont care much for name calling but when you have the fastest fwd car made to date, and if you kno your history, yes faster the the shelby GLHS.. a sense or arrogance will always follow. do you blame them? knowing bone stock you can blow away 60-70 percent of the cars on the street? i dont, some take it too far IMO, but the srt community is one of the cooler around. if you want to get on the arrogance and dick head topics, go to the evo and sti forums.

Actually it's not that impressive, becaues there is a huge number of fwd cars that are really down to a drivers race with the srt4. It is a bad, bad, badass car, dont get me wrong. I really wanted one but the insurance was as much as my payment would be with 0 points on my record. But they are barely faster than the dsm fwd turbo cars, our car, now the caliber srt4, hell even the taurus sho and dodge daytona r/t are almost as fast. Not to mention the fact that the new accord v6's run 14 flat our so in the 1/4, the impala ss is right there, the last gen maximas, altima's with the 3.5's. They have a ton of potential, but not anymore than the dsm's. Just because you have a fast car shouldn't mean that you become as asshole. There are plenty of cool srt4 owners, but a huge number of aholes too. Go to just about in compact car forum, mustang forums, camaro forums, they are among the most hated owners but also the most respected cars.

Like I said, I meet alot of mustang owners that think they are the shit and most camaro ss guys are cool, even though ss's destroy mustangs. Srtforums is a great place though, alot better than here up to this point. Hopefully this place picks up soon, assholes make the internet more fun. Plus the marketplace here is dead, hope that picks up too.

[x'ed]

that cost less than 22k in 2003 and newer? let see the list.

I don't think he mentioned price. You are everywhere boostdog, I see you at every forum I go to it seems.

[Ben Nast]

new or old srt4? caliber or neon?

There is only one real srt4 and its not the Caliber. Anyway, I have an 07ms3 and still have my 04srt. There are very close in straight line stock for stock. The Ms3 is more of an enthusist car. Mildly modded the ms3 seems to respond better but most of us know what srt4 is capable of.

[happy and angry]

Who fucking cares about cost?Everyone? Everyone on this forum that talks about the car being good bang for the buck? I mean, what are you even saying here?

[Sacrilicious]

Or look around this thread.

(rlaugh)

[MS6S2K]

Just don't mess with a neon SRT-4 that's modded, unless you got some serious mods yourself. Too easy to mod them, and most are modded by now, and those cars FLY!!!! I alreayd got walked badly by one in my Speed 6. The guy was toying with me on the highway.

You all already know that, but yeah, bone stock vs bone stock, def a drivers race. Modified vs modifed, currently, no comparison!!!

[Sacrilicious]

ya, it's not even a question after heavy modding. our modding community is the freakin girl scouts compared to what the srt-4 neon has workin for it! (eek2)

[CHICO2003]

this is so stupid

[trufanatic]

Well to clarify, yes a car that only cost 20k! You can bring up the STI and the EVO but for a car that cost almost 18k less it competes and in many cases beats them. The altima, accord and watever else you listed are irrelevant. The srt-4 weighs 2800+ pounds and makes 230whp stock, you do the weight to horse power ratio and your looking at another car that cost minimum 2-4times as much to compete, and they respond to mods better than most cars on the market. also aside from the ej20 and 4g63, you name me a 4cycl motor that can put over 500-600whp to the ground stock motor? and also keep in mind, the more power the car creates the higher that weight to HP ratio gets. I'm not making an excuse for the ones that are dicks, but im saying they have their reasons. The car without a shadow of a doubt, negating the fact that its FWD, the car is a SERIOUS performer.

[Betelgeuse]

Well to clarify, yes a car that only cost 20k! You can bring up the STI and the EVO but for a car that cost almost 18k less it competes and in many cases beats them. The altima, accord and watever else you listed are irrelevant. The srt-4 weighs 2800+ pounds and makes 230whp stock, you do the weight to horse power ratio and your looking at another car that cost minimum 2-4times as much to compete, and they respond to mods better than most cars on the market. also aside from the ej20 and 4g63, you name me a 4cycl motor that can put over 500-600whp to the ground stock motor? and also keep in mind, the more power the car creates the higher that weight to HP ratio gets. I'm not making an excuse for the ones that are dicks, but im saying they have their reasons. The car without a shadow of a doubt, negating the fact that its FWD, the car is a SERIOUS performer.

How long are these BONE STOCK 500 - 600 whp engines lasting? Or do they even exist? And when I say bone stock, I mean no mods whatsoever to the engine.

I'd really like to read up on those bone stock 500-600 whp engines. A link or two would be really helpful. Not completely doubting, just really curious.

[trufanatic]

How long are these BONE STOCK 500 - 600 whp engines lasting? Or do they even exist? And when I say bone stock, I mean no mods whatsoever to the engine.

I'd really like to read up on those bone stock 500-600 whp engines. A link or two would be really helpful. Not completely doubting, just really curious.

LOL! are you serious? just take a leisurely trip over to s r t f o r u m s. and read thru some of the threads, im dont even have waste my time to find you a thread, 70-80% of SRT4's doing 500+whp is on stock motor minus the turbo and fuel upgrade. fyi, my old srt was doing 417whp in 05', the owner that i still keep in contact with has been doing 487 since two months of ownership, and he still has the car.

[Betelgeuse]

LOL! are you serious? just take a leisurely trip over to s r t f o r u m s. and read thru some of the threads, im dont even have waste my time to find you a thread, 70-80% of SRT4's doing 500+whp is on stock motor minus the turbo and fuel upgrade. fyi, my old srt was doing 417whp in 05', the owner that i still keep in contact with has been doing 487 since two months of ownership, and he still has the car.

Took your advice, headed over to the srtforums and hit the bigturbo thread and did some searches:

http://w w w.s r t f o r u m s.com/forums/f24/big-turbo-owners-feedback-195235/index17.html

http:// w w w.s r t f o r u m s.com/forums/f169/450-500-fwhp-396887/index2.html

What I found was most guys are in the 350-450whp range with a couple close to 500. The ones that are closer to 500 are contemplating built motors as a couple guys have screwed up their pistons. The thread is too big so I went through the first 20 pages or so. Quite a few guys were concerned about the motors ability to handle power in the 500 whp range and I really haven't seen a single 500-600 whp post on stock internals. Please help me out here. I'm sure somebody have done it. I'm just curious to know for how long.

400+ whp is quite a bit different to 500-600 whp. And because somebody hit 500+ it doesn't mean the motor will hold up over time. Seems like people are just throwing numbers around.

Now please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying in anyway the srt-4 iron block motor isn't strong. It obviously is if people are running 400+ hp with little issues. I'm just doubting the 500-600whp with no-issues thing.

[Totmacher]

After 500hp a few small bottom end changes need to be made, but nothing serious, most resorting to helping oil flow better (remove balance shaft, remove oil cooler, larger diameter oil pickup tube, etc)

After fixing up the oil issues 550 is about the "safe limit" I would take the car to. 600 is easily attainable, but I wouldn't recommend it.

After that head studs, head gasket, crank studs and a crank strap kit will get you to about 650 safely. Beyond that honestly the point is mute. I'm sure you can do more on the "stock bottom end" AKA Crank, Rods, Pistons. But Why the hell would you. If your that serious, you are going to spend the extra for crank/rods/pistons.

[trufanatic]

After 500hp a few small bottom end changes need to be made, but nothing serious, most resorting to helping oil flow better (remove balance shaft, remove oil cooler, larger diameter oil pickup tube, etc)

After fixing up the oil issues 550 is about the "safe limit" I would take the car to. 600 is easily attainable, but I wouldn't recommend it.

After that head studs, head gasket, crank studs and a crank strap kit will get you to about 650 safely. Beyond that honestly the point is mute. I'm sure you can do more on the "stock bottom end" AKA Crank, Rods, Pistons. But Why the hell would you. If your that serious, you are going to spend the extra for crank/rods/pistons.

Thanks (drive) as i was saying, its easliy done and holds up very well.

[Betelgeuse]

Thanks (drive) as i was saying, its easliy done and holds up very well.

But it's NOT stock anymore and totmacher's comment is only ONE opinion out of many I've read on that site. Some seem to think the pistons and rings don't hold up after 500 whp as well. So IMO, his comment doesn't prove anything. You asked me to look and I looked.

[x'ed]

No, the mighty srt 4 won't last long with 500whp. 400whp it will be cool, but not for years or anything.

[x'ed]

Well to clarify, yes a car that only cost 20k! You can bring up the STI and the EVO but for a car that cost almost 18k less it competes and in many cases beats them. The altima, accord and watever else you listed are irrelevant. The srt-4 weighs 2800+ pounds and makes 230whp stock, you do the weight to horse power ratio and your looking at another car that cost minimum 2-4times as much to compete, and they respond to mods better than most cars on the market. also aside from the ej20 and 4g63, you name me a 4cycl motor that can put over 500-600whp to the ground stock motor? and also keep in mind, the more power the car creates the higher that weight to HP ratio gets. I'm not making an excuse for the ones that are dicks, but im saying they have their reasons. The car without a shadow of a doubt, negating the fact that its FWD, the car is a SERIOUS performer.

Nice try, evo rs costs 25k all over the place. evo rs will destroy an srt for less money, cams, tbe, meth injection and they run 11's, all day every day. evo rs is the king of cheap speed and will continue to be so for a long time (evo IX that is).

[FRUCTOSE]

4g63 power! Ya those cars are really bad ass... They mod sooo easy. I would get one if they had cruise control and a few more creature comforts.

[boostdog]

Who fucking cares about cost? When I go out and race, I don't skip lining up against someone and say "Hey, I'mnot ognna race you, your car cost more." Thats as bad as the BMW guys I know that say "so what if you beat me, I'm still going home in a BMW."

that was not my point...my point was what car at that price did what that car was able to do? plain and simple there were none and there are still very few cars in the price range that are capable of the performance. I mean really i could list off alot cars that would beat it to but that's apples to oranges really..a ferrai should be it right? do you see my point? $ for $ it was a performace bargin in 2003.

[boostdog]

I don't think he mentioned price. You are everywhere boostdog, I see you at every forum I go to it seems.

I am stalking you x'ed!(rei)(birthday)(hi)(evil)(nana)(gun)(boobs2)

[SRTnly noLAG]

Agree'd guys on SRT forums are arrogant/slapdicks/douchebags honestly they give people like me a bad name. MS3 14.0 1/4 mi, SRT does 13.9 1/4 mi (not sure if MS3 is capable of better stock time correct me if i'm wrong). Seems like a lot of people on here went from an SRT to MS3 and im contemplating on making the switch myself. I have an '04 SRT4 w/ some goodies, do any of you former SRT4 guys have any regrets or suggestions?

[clos561]

there are some old videos of ms3 doing stock runs hitting 13.8,13.9 in australia or some shit, its on youtube. driver did 13.5? but he had slicks on stock setup.

[Ben Nast]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6oL0GXubQCk

Are there any more vids of the caliber srt vs ms3 besides this one?

[restored2x]

Agree'd guys on SRT forums are arrogant/slapdicks/douchebags honestly they give people like me a bad name. MS3 14.0 1/4 mi, SRT does 13.9 1/4 mi (not sure if MS3 is capable of better stock time correct me if i'm wrong). Seems like a lot of people on here went from an SRT to MS3 and im contemplating on making the switch myself. I have an '04 SRT4 w/ some goodies, do any of you former SRT4 guys have any regrets or suggestions?

Yeah - I miss the MEANNESS of the SRT-4 I had last year. It responded like a freaking monster. I miss the mean growl of the SRT-4 exhaust. It was cool to know that I could outrun almost anything around me. I miss the chirping tires all the way through the gears. I especially miss the factory available stage kits.

But - all in all, seriously - I wouldn't trade my MS3 for a brand new Neon SRT-4 (if one were available). The Mazda feels more stable. The interior doesn't make me apologize to people. The picnic-basket-handle spoiler sucked and made me feel like I was a juvenile. After people found out about the SRT-4, people were always wanting to race on the streets - not my thing.

[maestro]

A local Neon SRT owner E mailed me this link. I am surprised it is not getting that vicious, good job.

My .02 cents, worry more about what you want out of your car and less about other peoples cars. Unless your main concern is beating an SRT4.
Racing is fun but if you are going to get serious about it and rank cars we should remember the reason the racing sanctioning groups have rules and classes.

Personaly I am OK with the Neon's, I have had an affinity for Dodge/Plymouth since my first 2 cars (70 Cudas) and current 70 Challenger. Good for Dodge for knocking out a car that can throw down 300-400 HP in an easily affordable and streetable package.

As for the rivalry, maintain respectability and try to keep it friendly. No car is immune from douchebag owners who spend more time trash talking than learning about and modding their car.
If only there was a personality test before logging on to the web.

[2 DIZZY]

A local Neon SRT owner E mailed me this link. I am surprised it is not getting that vicious, good job.

My .02 cents, worry more about what you want out of your car and less about other peoples cars. Unless your main concern is beating an SRT4.
Racing is fun but if you are going to get serious about it and rank cars we should remember the reason the racing sanctioning groups have rules and classes.

Personaly I am OK with the Neon's, I have had an affinity for Dodge/Plymouth since my first 2 cars (70 Cudas) and current 70 Challenger. Good for Dodge for knocking out a car that can throw down 300-400 HP in an easily affordable and streetable package.

As for the rivalry, maintain respectability and try to keep it friendly. No car is immune from douchebag owners who spend more time trash talking than learning about and modding their car.
If only there was a personality test before logging on to the web.

Amen(cabpatch)