Basic setup ?s... NO2 on a P5

[rx7gslse]

ok, I've read all of the stickies etc etc around here and seen y'alls results so far and I'm intrigued..

Lucky (my P5) is my basic normal daily driver, but everyonce inawhile I go & hangout with the rx7 guys in the wagon, and I'm seeing about a simple way to get some extra power to be abe to go play on the highway.. (no way in hell I'm catch the 400+ rwhp guys, but I don't want to get THAT far behind....)

Anyway, the basic Q's I have...

I'm looking into getting a fairly basic 50shot wet system. what's the best package deal out there, what are the options? (NOS, NEX etc?)

Gimme a rundown of what I *need* and what I *should* get...

Again, still doing research here, nothing definate yet, but opinions would be cool....

TIA!

Eric

[acidbbg]

ok, I've read all of the stickies etc etc around here and seen y'alls results so far and I'm intrigued..

Lucky (my P5) is my basic normal daily driver, but everyonce inawhile I go & hangout with the rx7 guys in the wagon, and I'm seeing about a simple way to get some extra power to be abe to go play on the highway.. (no way in hell I'm catch the 400+ rwhp guys, but I don't want to get THAT far behind....)

Anyway, the basic Q's I have...

I'm looking into getting a fairly basic 50shot wet system. what's the best package deal out there, what are the options? (NOS, NEX etc?)

Gimme a rundown of what I *need* and what I *should* get...

Again, still doing research here, nothing defionate yet, but opinions would be cool....

TIA!

Eric

My Suggestion to you is get a Nitrous Express Kit..They have some really nice setups..

I have Part# 20923..It's a wet setup..w/ everything needed inlcuding jets from a 35shot-a75shot...

There are a few others running 50-75shot w/ out any problems..

Pricing will usually run ya about 500shipped (USD)! Install is pretty easy..but proffesionally will cost about $2-300dollars..

Chas

[rx7gslse]

Any reccomendations on places to buy it?

What else *should* I get to go along with it? How many shots per 5/10/12/15lb bottle?

I'm not too worried about the install.. If I can pull a motor from a miata and things liek that I had better be able to do this... If not, I'll take it to gothamracing.com down the street..

[pdhaudio83]

what you NEED is a kit, a fuel pressure cutoff, nitrous pressure gauge, and 0-100psi gauge

what is STRONGLY recommended is a bottle warmer and a purge kit (GENX2 upgrade with NX)

there are several companies, I have Nitrous Express (NX)
NOS makes a wet import kit as well, ZEX- no clue

keep asking questions here, i will answer them all. expect all the parts etc etc for nitrous plus first bottle filled and full tank premium gas to run $1000. then install, you're looking at $1250 (which is in the high range). make sure nitrous refills are available in your area. (In FW, TX im sure they are). nitrous costs $3-$5/lb I go thru it like MAD

[pdhaudio83]

dont ask how long it takes to go thru a bottle, it varies A TON. Lets say this, i was hitting the switch a ton my first day and needless to say, i needed a refill the next day.

i'd buy it online. pretty cheap.

[acidbbg]

As PH Audio Said..It Varries...I say..w/ a 50shot you can expect to get atleast 7-10 runs...

Search Ebay..They are always selling kits..email the seller..and ask him for a deal..that's how i got it done!

Most kits come w/ a 10lb bottle..Any larger..and you will not have much room for anything in your trunk! Any smaller and you will run out quick..like 3-5 runs..

definetly get the genx2 upgrade & bottlewarmer..it makes the difference when racing!

Chas:D

[rx7gslse]

I know it varies by how many times you use it, but roughly how many shots per bottle? is a hot like ~0.5lb, or ~2lbs? (yeah, I kow it's pressure, so it doesn't quite work that way..)


ok, so kit w/ 10lb bottle ~$550 shipped... Maybe cheaper depending on what I find..
Gauge ~$50 (0-100psi? And A bottle pressure? one for the line, and one for the bottle I assume?)
warmer ~200
opener $200
FP cutoff? $?? (what does this do?)

[pdhaudio83]

kit $517 shipped
fuel pressure cutoff $45 (if fuel pressure goes down, ie failed pump, nitrous SHUTS off saves your engine)
nitrous pressure gauge $45 (have to read if its good to go! u mount nitrous gauge right onto bottle. you can have another (i plan to) in the cabin.
warmer $150
i bet in 10secs of using nitrous, i prolly use 2lbs or so
i dont use opener, just turn around and open it for $200!!

[pdhaudio83]

whoops forgot purge- purges your system before you hit the switch because the nitrous that sits in your lines after u use it bogs down the new nitrous when you shoot. purge costs about $110

[rx7gslse]

ah, ok.. so GEn-X upradge has the heater, press gauge, fuel switch, blown-down fitting & tube(WTF? is that?) for ~$285
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/southwestautoworks2002-store/nxnitexgenup.html

ah, genx-2 includes purge.... I'm gettin it.. I'm gettin' it.. $355
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/finalstageauto/nitrousexpress.html

ok, that plus the kit at $500?
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/southwestautoworks2002-store/sporcomallef.html

damn.. I don't want anymore gauges... I already took the effort to remove the ones the previous owner put in.. Hmm... what's a better option than the a-pillar.. (think stealthy)

[rx7gslse]

oh, and yes... I can find refills around here...

I know enough of the Rx7/supra/vette guys aroudn here to have no issues there... I can get some nice 114 unleaded too if need be ;)

[Umrswimr]

Add a window switch to your list...

The blow-down fitting/tubeis an NHRA requirement that vents the nitrous outside the car in the event of too much pressure, etc....

[rx7gslse]

Thanks Dave...

$150 from that same site...

is this an electronic kit that fires when you're at full throttle and in teh rpm window (TPS switch) or one where you hit the "launch" button like you see in teh movies?

[Umrswimr]

Movie buttons are teh suck...

Just get a WOT, arm, and window switch and focus on having both hands on the wheel.... We don't need no stinking "button"...


I would suggest gettign that 3rd gear grind/fork issue fixed before you spray it, though... Ntrous tends to void warranties. :D

[rx7gslse]

details details details...

[rx7gslse]

eh... nevermind...


this idea is pretty much dead now that I impailed the car into the back of a dodge Ram last night...

[pdhaudio83]

i just posted to that thread. sorry to hear that :(

[LinuxRacr]

Originally posted by Umrswimr
Add a window switch to your list...

The blow-down fitting/tubeis an NHRA requirement that vents the nitrous outside the car in the event of too much pressure, etc....


I accually have a unused window switch that has been siting around for a while. Any takers?

[acidbbg]

how much linux?? How difficult is it to install??

Chas

P.S. Email Me@
acidbbg@aol.com

[pdhaudio83]

i think he was asking $65. i could be wrong.

[LinuxRacr]

Yeah, I paid like $86 for it. I'm letting it go for $65. It shouldn't be any harder to install than any other type of wireing. I'm now a broke mofo due to higher child support. :mad:

[Umrswimr]

Nice avatar..... :eek:

[rx7gslse]

I like it... I like it a lot... :)


Hey Linux... Check out the party thread on the 7 forum.. Looks liek a Sunday.. you're off Sunday nights right ;)

exactly...

[pdhaudio83]

word, its a bit much for us home browsers, but its nice...

[rx7gslse]

home? bah! I'm at work....

like anyoen can see something that small over my shoulder...

[pdhaudio83]

ok so back on topic... :)

[1ofdfew323]

Originally posted by acidbbg
My Suggestion to you is get a Nitrous Express Kit..They have some really nice setups..

I have Part# 20923..It's a wet setup..w/ everything needed inlcuding jets from a 35shot-a75shot...

There are a few others running 50-75shot w/ out any problems..

Pricing will usually run ya about 500shipped (USD)! Install is pretty easy..but proffesionally will cost about $2-300dollars..

Chas
just wondering. how fast does ur car go on a 1/4 mile w/ street tires?
wut gear do u usually use ur NOS?
how many time do u use it in a week?

[Darin]

One thing to remember is: A '50-shot' won't always equal '50 wheel HP'. And it's N2O....not NO2. :D

[acidbbg]

Originally posted by 1ofdfew323
just wondering. how fast does ur car go on a 1/4 mile w/ street tires?
wut gear do u usually use ur NOS?
how many time do u use it in a week?

1/4 mile w/ out nitrous and chipped ecu..i ran a 16.1..so i guess i will run a 14-15's???

I use it in 2nd thru 5th...(verry occasionally in 5th)

i use it about 2 times a week..maybe more depending on how many races!

Chas

P.S. NX has dyno plots to prove that a 50shot gives you a 50shot!

[Darin]

Originally posted by acidbbg
P.S. NX has dyno plots to prove that a 50shot gives you a 50shot!

Does any 'civilian' have a dyno plot which shows a '50-shot' gives '50whp' every time?

[1ofdfew323]

Originally posted by acidbbg
1/4 mile w/ out nitrous and chipped ecu..i ran a 16.1..so i guess i will run a 14-15's???

I use it in 2nd thru 5th...(verry occasionally in 5th)

i use it about 2 times a week..maybe more depending on how many races!

Chas

P.S. NX has dyno plots to prove that a 50shot gives you a 50shot!

w:eek: w ! u said 16.1 w/out nos but with chipped ecu? thats pretty good for a p5. is it only with the chipped ecu or it came with headers, intake filter, etc... ? was the car stripped? did u use slicks?

stock p5 is running 16.7 so 16.1 is not bad at all.
can u tell me where i can get that chip?
do i buy new ecu or i send my ecu out and they chip it for me?
will it mess with the cars warranty?
thx.

[pdhaudio83]

He's talking about the MP3 ECU he has I believe.

[acidbbg]

Originally posted by 1ofdfew323
w:eek: w ! u said 16.1 w/out nos but with chipped ecu? thats pretty good for a p5. is it only with the chipped ecu or it came with headers, intake filter, etc... ? was the car stripped? did u use slicks?

stock p5 is running 16.7 so 16.1 is not bad at all.
can u tell me where i can get that chip?
do i buy new ecu or i send my ecu out and they chip it for me?
will it mess with the cars warranty?
thx.

Just as phaudio stated..I have the MP3 ecu..which adds like 10hp..depending on load...maybe closer to 5 to the wheels...

I have intake..w/ custom ram air....axel back exhaust...I removed my audio equipment...(that stuff ways allot)..Check my sig for my mods...

All you have to do is trade w/ an mp3 owner..and it shouldn't void your warrenty..the ecu..looks just like the p5 ecu!!!

Chas:D

[pdhaudio83]

however, be VERY CAUTIOUS (like acidbbg is) if you are going to be running a N2O system with the MP3 as it has advanced timing. Advanced timing for high output performance=BAD!!

[1ofdfew323]

no im not planning on shooting nos on my p5.
about the warranty, even if the p5 and the mp3 looks the same that dont mean u can trick the dealer. Just incase something went wrong with the car in the future and the dealer checked ur car at the odb 2 diag. they can determine wut ecu ur running. I dont think they would cover it in the warranty.

[1ofdfew323]

basically u only have full exhaust, intake and the mp3. and u shaved half a sec. not bad!

[pdhaudio83]

ya i have to take my car in friday, and i had to switch back to the mp3 ecu...

[1ofdfew323]

can anyone tell me where i can buy a mp3 ecu.
No im not buying it off the dealer.

[pdhaudio83]

thats about it!
sorry
doubtful you'll find it in a junkyard seeing as how limited a run it was.

[joka1]

allright i read everything here...... but does anybody have a turbo?? i am getting a t3(if everything works out) turbo but i still want to run a 50 shot of nitrous just to add to it!! i am just wondering how it works(any blown engines)...

[1ofdfew323]

u can blow ur engine with or w/out turbo or nos it all depends how ur engine block is set-u.

get a bullet proof engine if ur planning on doing this.

[pdhaudio83]

or just have it TUNED correctly!!

[Equinox]

So guys, I'm the new pig, got me a 50 shot nitrous kit with purge, care to let me knwo where to get a fuel cut off for the p5 in case of the stock pump starts leaning out?

Also more info on exactly when you spray, assuming it sprays when yer WOT, you just shift into second, flip the WOT activate switch, and floor it, shift to third, floor it, shift, floor eh? lol

I'm running clutch, flywheel, header, 2.5" catless exhaust, cold air intake, and most importantly when your car has more than 20hp over stock, Motor mounts! Any suggestions you guys have? plan on running 50 shot, may renozzle it to 35 tho

also, any update on the colder spark splugs I should get? I'm running platinums and need to change em

[infrared5]

Im running a NX 50 shot and even when using the nitrous the motor runs extremely rich, all the way green on my guage!! You shouldnt have anything to worry about with the motor leaning out. Ive been through alot of nitrous and had no problems or noises.

[infrared5]

Im timing my p5 tonight if it stops raining, hoping to hit high 15s. I wish i lived wherever u live, whoever hit the 16.4 on a stock motor, here in kansas I can only manage a low 17 on stock motor (bc of crap air).

[acidbbg]

So guys, I'm the new pig, got me a 50 shot nitrous kit with purge, care to let me knwo where to get a fuel cut off for the p5 in case of the stock pump starts leaning out?

Also more info on exactly when you spray, assuming it sprays when yer WOT, you just shift into second, flip the WOT activate switch, and floor it, shift to third, floor it, shift, floor eh? lol

I'm running clutch, flywheel, header, 2.5" catless exhaust, cold air intake, and most importantly when your car has more than 20hp over stock, Motor mounts! Any suggestions you guys have? plan on running 50 shot, may renozzle it to 35 tho

also, any update on the colder spark splugs I should get? I'm running platinums and need to change em

Congradulations on the new Nitrous Kit...What type of kit was it? I didn't see..

I love my purge..I got it runnin over the winshield now...

You REally don't have to worry about stock pump giving out...but it is usefull to have fuel pressure cut off switch..I have one!!

I spray in every gear...But not to much in 1st & 5th...

1st gear causes my tires to spinnnnnnnnn like crazy...but i shoot in 2nd through a little of 5th..but by 5th gear..i already know who won!!:D

What do you mean you are runnin clutch? You mean aftermarket? If so that's good but not necessary..I have had my stock clutch w/ really no problems shooting unless i am shooting in 1st gear...

I got a motor mount (kart boy)..it's pretty good..but i am still gettin some wheel hop..

About the plugs...NEVER USE PLATINUM PLUGS...they will explode..or foul up really easy..and has lead to damaged engines..that's why it specifically says in any manual..or install book...NEVER US PLATINUM PLUGS!

I am running 1 step colder plugs...i have the mp3 ecu..so i have the advanced timing...and always fill up on 93...but sometimes..94octane..but gas cost so much now...

Good luck and keep us up to date..i like to know how other protege's are kick ass using nitrous!!

Im running a NX 50 shot and even when using the nitrous the motor runs extremely rich, all the way green on my guage!! You shouldnt have anything to worry about with the motor leaning out. Ive been through alot of nitrous and had no problems or noises.

Yeap..the p5 runs really rich...I have an a/f meter and whenever i shoot it reads all the way into the green...

Im timing my p5 tonight if it stops raining, hoping to hit high 15s. I wish i lived wherever u live, whoever hit the 16.4 on a stock motor, here in kansas I can only manage a low 17 on stock motor (bc of crap air).

It started rainin like crazy here in Jersey...I hit the 16.4 mark...was little difficult..but practice makes perfect!! Got to know how to drop it and not to bog down the car...not to mention..i have a custom ram air kit...Really kicks ass when i am on the highways...

I figure w/ a 50shot stock p5..you should easily be into the 15's...but you need to practice...

w/ a 75shot...you in the 14's...

I figure w/ my setup..I should easily be in the 15's..but i am shooting for 14's...(high of course)..

Chas

P.S. Glad to see we are getting a better flow of people goin the nitrous route!!

[Equinox]

well I pieced together the nitrous kit myself, the purge kit is purely Zex, but I ask about teh spark plugs to hopefully get someones exact specification number? Maybe? Also, about gappage, I'm used to buying a plug and putting it in, I take it with nitrous you need to buy one of thosel ittle gapping tools and make it .35? =) or whatever number it is, .035... Obviously I learn just enough to get me by as you can see.

more on the kit I got for you people interested, it's a real never heard of brand that made the bottle "compucar" and the nozzles and wet kit itself is zex.

One last question, about the bottle, and filling. The bottle I heard you can paint it, all but the label? apparently it's illegal to paint over the bottle label cause it has pertent data for filling stations, this true? The compucar bottle is plain stainless steel, I plan on airbrushing. Then, do you guys have any good resources to find local nitrous fill stations? Anything to look up in the phone book? Is medical grade nitrous oxide the same? lol

[pdhaudio83]

autolite 3923 i THINK was my one colder spark plugs

[acidbbg]

Originally posted by Equinox
well I pieced together the nitrous kit myself, the purge kit is purely Zex, but I ask about teh spark plugs to hopefully get someones exact specification number? Maybe? Also, about gappage, I'm used to buying a plug and putting it in, I take it with nitrous you need to buy one of thosel ittle gapping tools and make it .35? =) or whatever number it is, .035... Obviously I learn just enough to get me by as you can see.

more on the kit I got for you people interested, it's a real never heard of brand that made the bottle "compucar" and the nozzles and wet kit itself is zex.

One last question, about the bottle, and filling. The bottle I heard you can paint it, all but the label? apparently it's illegal to paint over the bottle label cause it has pertent data for filling stations, this true? The compucar bottle is plain stainless steel, I plan on airbrushing. Then, do you guys have any good resources to find local nitrous fill stations? Anything to look up in the phone book? Is medical grade nitrous oxide the same? lol

Test all solenoids before actually using the system...It's cool how you pieced together the kit..About he plugs..yes..gap to .35...and i have ngk's..part# bkr7e-11's (1 step colder)

About bottle..most refill stations will NOT fill up the bottle unless you have a label for it...So make sure you get a sticker..

Yes..I have a good resource to find local nitrous fill stations..

go to nos home page...they have listings..of refill stations...you can do the same w/ zex..and other companies!

Yes medical grade is the same..i am running medical grade...

Chas

[Equinox]

Originally posted by acidbbg
Test all solenoids before actually using the system...It's cool how you pieced together the kit..About he plugs..yes..gap to .35...and i have ngk's..part# bkr7e-11's (1 step colder)

About bottle..most refill stations will NOT fill up the bottle unless you have a label for it...So make sure you get a sticker..

Yes..I have a good resource to find local nitrous fill stations..

go to nos home page...they have listings..of refill stations...you can do the same w/ zex..and other companies!

Yes medical grade is the same..i am running medical grade...

Chas

you guys have been a real help, I appreciate it,
Also, thanks I found a fill station 1.17 miles away from my house!

[pdhaudio83]

i have mine gapped to .044, whats the diff between that and .035?

medical grade nitrous is PURE nitrous, while industrial adds a deterent to get high using it (and leaves a 'mark' in your engine oil...)

[acidbbg]

Originally posted by pdhaudio
i have mine gapped to .044, whats the diff between that and .035?

medical grade nitrous is PURE nitrous, while industrial adds a deterent to get high using it (and leaves a 'mark' in your engine oil...)

Basically you want to gap to .035..b/c that's what NX told me..They said by leaving them gapped to large..may cause the nitrous to blow out the spark..

plus everyone i talked to said to gap .035..

Chas

[pdhaudio83]

maybe thats why im having problems after running nitrous! time to get em re gapped to .035!

[acidbbg]

That might help...Also are you running autolite plugs?? Everyone including NX says to use NGK's...

Chas

[pdhaudio83]

ya i got autolites right now. where can i get NGK online, and what part number?

[acidbbg]

part# NGK BKR73-11's..I believe Spoolin has them on his site!!

Chas

[Equinox]

Originally posted by acidbbg
part# NGK BKR73-11's..I believe Spoolin has them on his site!!

Chas

I think you mean

BKR7ES-11 right? that's the closest part number I can find

[acidbbg]

My Mistake..typo...the 3 is on top of the 3 button(my mistake)!!

Equinox...I believe that it's actually BKR7E-11's....there is NO S in there...I am not sure what the s stands for maybe the same?

lol

Chas

[SpicyMchaggis]

yo acidbbg, i think i might succumb to the dark side of N20..looks like the GEN-X upgrade kit for me!

[Equinox]

Alright did a little research on NGK plugs and found the following.

Stock NGK plugs for Protege 2.0, listed by plug type:
all the gaps are set to 0.044

Standard: BKR5ES-11
V-Power: BKR5E-11 <-- True Stock Equipment on Proteges
G-Power Platinum: BKR5EGP
Laser Platinum: PFR5G-11
OE Laser Iridium: IFR5E11
Iridium IX: BKR5EIX-11

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/images/chartheatratingflowpath.gif

notice how all our OEM plugs are of the range type '5', or 'hot type, just change the part number to 7 and you have a cold type plug. As suggested, the OEM plug, only cold, is:
BKR7E-11 (Useful P/N: NG1283)

all that research to find the same thing, I like to know why though =)

[SpicyMchaggis]

I have the Iridium IX plugs with Sparkco wires, what plus would you suggest with N20?

[Equinox]

Originally posted by SpicyMchaggis
I have the Iridium IX plugs with Sparkco wires, what plus would you suggest with N20?

by plus I assume you mean plugs? If so... I'd suggest the ones we've been indorsing, for some reason platinum and iridium don't work well with nitrous set ups, stick with copper, shows a lot betetr results in this case. Hence the BKR7E-11 plugs, also, most auto parts store will only be able to search for this plug via the part number NG1283, or just 1283 =)

[acidbbg]

Originally posted by SpicyMchaggis
I have the Iridium IX plugs with Sparkco wires, what plus would you suggest with N20?

Actually Densos Iridium plugs are fine for nitrous applications..but still you will need to get 1 step colder plugs...

Chas

[Equinox]

Originally posted by acidbbg
Actually Densos Iridium plugs are fine for nitrous applications..but still you will need to get 1 step colder plugs...

Chas

whoops, just platinum, sorry. =)

[SpicyMchaggis]

alright then..haha..yea plus..

[Equinox]

I have my kit all ready but I still need a WOT activation switch, anyone know of any good ones? I found a couple but not sure what will work specifically with our throttles. Also, anyone have pics of where to 'T' off the fuel line for the wet nitrous system?

[acidbbg]

Here's a link to some pics from my install...it also shows how i t'd the fuel line!!

About the TPS..I would suggest searching on ebay..

www.ebay.com

Chas

[pdhaudio83]

is that ur car they are featuring on ebay now?? ;)

lol u posted a link to ebay not ur pics

[acidbbg]

Link to pics

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27360

[Equinox]

Originally posted by acidbbg
Link to pics

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27360

yeah I saw your pictures, but they are so zoomed in that I can't tell where that line is x.x

[acidbbg]

right next to the intake!

If you are standing infront of the car..look on your right..it will be directly on the right next to the valve cover...

Chas

[acidbbg]

Selling My NX Kit..If anyone is interested!

Chas