Stock EVO dyno results

[perfworks]

Just in case anyone would like to see what my new baby does stock. This is a baseline completely stock and then a reflash with some fuel and timing adjustments done to the stock ecu on a dyno.

[perfworks]

just in case soem cant see.
The stock figures are: 263.4 WHP and 277 WTRQ
After the reflash : 287.5 WHP and 298.4 WTRQ

[StarvingRussian]

Holy shit, that's a lotta torque.

[perfworks]

Originally posted by StarvingRussian
Holy shit, that's a lotta torque.
Id like to see what she does with the boost turned up;)

[Matthew]

omg what a car. so it only loses less than 10hp to the wheels from the crank? its stock crank hp is 271 if im not mistaken.

[StarvingRussian]

yeah, thats really good, it was 270 somethin, 276?

[Midnight22]

ok... all those cars that r losing to neons... drivers just simply cant drive...

[Familia323]

those are some nice gains from a reflash and some tuning.... I'll be happy when I can give a stock Evo a decent run...

[perfworks]

Originally posted by Matthew
omg what a car. so it only loses less than 10hp to the wheels from the crank? its stock crank hp is 271 if im not mistaken.
They are quite underrated from the factory.

[StarvingRussian]

Originally posted by Midnightracer22
ok... all those cars that r losing to neons... drivers just simply cant drive...

i think some of the neons were modded

[perfworks]

Originally posted by Midnightracer22
ok... all those cars that r losing to neons... drivers just simply cant drive...
noen is much lighter also. They make some good power down low.
There is a couple around here. I trounce them everytime i see them. I dont know who is losing. If it was on the track then i could understand, because it is very hard to launch theses cars with AWD.
but after 30mph its all over

[StarvingRussian]

how come they are hard to launch?

ive seen a video where an srt4 was whompin on a evo, i dont think the neon was stock though.

[hukster00]

is the ecu flash factory one like the one on msp ?

[perfworks]

Originally posted by StarvingRussian
how come they are hard to launch?

ive seen a video where an srt4 was whompin on a evo, i dont think the neon was stock though.
AWD is alot more difficult. It seems to want to jump rather than spin the tires. It has such good traction that it (without exageration) will plant and jump then take off. If you dont rev it and hold it to the right rpm while letting out the clutch slow she bogs horribly.
But once you remove this pesky restrictor dampner it has in the clutch hydralics along with the reflash it is all but eliminated completely

[perfworks]

Originally posted by hukster00
is the ecu flash factory one like the one on msp ?
Basically the same. But the difference is that the MSP can only be done by the dealer. The mitsu can be done by aftermarket tuners to get more power out of the ecu and car by tuning it to your needs and gas preference.
The car came tuned for 91 octane from the factory.
Basically mazda and ford dont want anyone playing with the ecu.
So it can only be done if you know someone willing to do it for you.

[PaulMP3]

damn, i didnt relize they had that much power in stock form. What is your goal (whp) for this car?

[perfworks]

Originally posted by paulmp3
damn, i didnt relize they had that much power in stock form. What is your goal (whp) for this car?
Realistically speaking, we have in the works 550 at the wheels.
Stock internals have seen over 450 WHP in some but we are going completely aftermarket forged and stage II cams from JUN.
30 -33 psi of boost and happy motoring!!:D

[flat_black]

Wow... Just... Wow.

[Micah]

To those people who can't figure out why the Neon SRT-4 is able to whup on Lancer EVO's.

SRT4 2970lbs
EVO 3263lbs (3298 with sunroof)

SRT4 225HP @5400rpm
EVO 271HP@6500rpm

SRT4 245 Torque
EVO 273 Torque

Other SRT4 junk:
Acceleration:
0-30 : 2.5 sec
0-60 : 5.6 sec
30-50 pass : 2 sec
50-70 pass : 3 sec
1/4 mile : 14.2 sec. at 99.5 MPH
Other stuff:

skidpad (200ft) : .85 g's
braking (60-0) : 119 ft

Wish I could find the above info on the EVO.

Anyway, here's my point. The Neon should pull on the EVO. It weighs roughly 300 pounds less. It's not pushing all-wheel-drive. The SRT4 - however, still looks like a skittle. It's a great car to take to the track, and for racing on Rt. 37 (you toms river kids know what I'm talking about) not to mention that it has MOPAR behind it, which means a good deal of aftermarket support.

The EVO, on the other hand - has more power, more weight, and all-wheel-drive. If you were to take these cars road racing, with a little bit of off-road trails thrown in, I'm fairly sure the EVO would still be holding the road/path and accelerating while the SRT4 had already lost traction.

That being said - I really wish I had either of these cars. Perf, you suck for buying your evo - but with those payments, I can't afford to suck like you do. However, if I could somehow win the damn lottery, I'd be driving an EVO.

But my car is back to stock, and I miss the acceleration of a turbocharged engine. I'm hoping I can make more payments on my car for about a year - and some extra payments so that I owe less on it. Then maybe I'll be able to trade it in for something quick.

Currently I'm looking at eithera Saturn Redline (200HP Supercharged - under $20K) or a Dodge Neon SRT-4. I just can't stand the idea of paying more than $300 a month for a car payment. On the other hand, I might just keep my protege and buy an old 3rd gen F-Body.

[LinuxRacr]

Damn, I pay $350 per month for my MP3! I bought it in 2001 though. Add the turbo payment, and it goes up!

[unwrittenLaw]

Yeah if I didn't have a wife, I'd have an Evo :)...but I like my wife better..except when she yells at me..

[KzA]

Jesus Christ..Nick, how the hell did someone let this car get into YOUR hands? I bet you had that car halfway taken apart the week after you got it! Knowing you, that is gonna be one insane car when you finish it...Good Luck!

[Micah]

to the tune of oh say $600 a month, you'd be amazed what you can get in your hands.

lol. Wish I had the cash. Actually, I do, but that would mean surviving on ramen for the next several years.

[perfworks]

Originally posted by KzA
Jesus Christ..Nick, how the hell did someone let this car get into YOUR hands? I bet you had that car halfway taken apart the week after you got it! Knowing you, that is gonna be one insane car when you finish it...Good Luck!
Yeah it was apart about a half an hour after delivery.
I needed to see what makes it tick. I already have the other engine being built in colorado.
Forged Carillo rods and Wiseco 9:1 pistons.
AEM standalone and WB is on the way. I want it done by christmas for a run at the number one guy in the country Allen Freidman in January and feb nationals.
I wont make the mistake again of letting someone else control the destiny of my projects.
OH yeah on a side note I am once again building the beast.
Just one more time to prove a point. ;)

[FBI14]

So long STi

[perfworks]

Originally posted by Micah
to the tune of oh say $600 a month, you'd be amazed what you can get in your hands.

lol. Wish I had the cash. Actually, I do, but that would mean surviving on ramen for the next several years.
I chose that micah because i wanted to establish a strong credit rating after a year. I could have put money down and made it a better monthly payment.
Also i have a business policy and i purchased it under my business name. It will basically be a complete right off every year.
So i get best of both worlds.
It is well worth the money.
I never drove a car like this. ITS handling and performance are unreal. Those coming to the meet on the 25th can take it for a ride and see what i mean

[perfworks]

Originally posted by FBI14
So long STi
Those cars are very OVERRATED. The only good thing is the transmission seems to hold up better than the previous one in the wrx's

[hukster00]

whats youre bissnes you own an dsm show ?

[perfworks]

Originally posted by hukster00
whats youre bissnes you own an dsm show ?
two of them now.
Turbo Performance Works - Providers of high performance aftermarket parts and accessories.
We also broker clients with CERTAIN shops for custom work.
In other words if you want something done and dont know where to go you call me.
We get it done or find someone who will in your area.

And of course the family restaurant business.

[hukster00]

coo, since i live in nj you can be some help to me :p

[perfworks]

Originally posted by hukster00
coo, since i live in nj you can be some help to me :p
you got it anytime.:)

[Micah]

yeah, I wanna trade my protege in, I want the neon srt-4, just need to save up enough so that my payments won't be over $450 a month. I'd prefer to keep them under $400.

[MP3-Owner]

DO you still have your P5 Perf?

[jaje]

Originally posted by Micah
yeah, I wanna trade my protege in, I want the neon srt-4, just need to save up enough so that my payments won't be over $450 a month. I'd prefer to keep them under $400. used wrx's are starting to hit the market...though they take some getting to love on the looks side they will be cheaper and easier to find...plus the awd makes things more fun than a high torque fwd car

[duMb KeoLa]

Originally posted by perfworks
Id like to see what she does with the boost turned up;)


i thought these things run 19psi stock bo0st??? how much more you planning to turn it up?

[perfworks]

Originally posted by MP3-Owner
DO you still have your P5 Perf?
YUP . I might build her again.

[perfworks]

Originally posted by duMb KeoLa
i thought these things run 19psi stock bo0st??? how much more you planning to turn it up?
35

[perfworks]

Well let me expand on that keola.
I will run about 22psi on the stock internals till the end of november when the new block will be done. Then with the AEM i will run 30-35psi

[MP3-Owner]

Unreal man, can't wait to hear from you when that day comes. :D

[Installshield 2]

Nick, I thought Sport Compact Car dyno'd a pre-production EVO, and it showed around 227whp? I just noticed that a few months ago on their 10 best for under $30,000 or whatever...and that SRT-4's dyno'd at around 223whp...I could be way off on the EVO part...Were the pre-production models weaker?

With that wheel power those things are making over 300bhp probably...sounds cool indeed....and there are some built evo's in Europe running around 30 psi making upwards of 600bhp...I will still race you:rolleyes:

[perfworks]

Originally posted by Installshield 2
Nick, I thought Sport Compact Car dyno'd a pre-production EVO, and it showed around 227whp? I just noticed that a few months ago on their 10 best for under $30,000 or whatever...and that SRT-4's dyno'd at around 223whp...I could be way off on the EVO part...Were the pre-production models weaker?

With that wheel power those things are making over 300bhp probably...sounds cool indeed....and there are some built evo's in Europe running around 30 psi making upwards of 600bhp...I will still race you:rolleyes:
LOL nice ending to that post
:D
Well there is quite a little contraversy over the actual WHP ratings from the factory as with the ones from dodge for the SRT-4

It seems that many of the cars , including the SRT , have a different destiny.
For example. There are EVO's, here in the states, That will vary on many conditions up to 50WHP.
We along with some other company's in the country (Bushur, Vishnu, Works, MachV to name a few) that have tested Evo's from 210WHP to 263 WHP in completely STOCK form.
There is quite a difference there. As a friend of mine put it on another forum, If you take away a couple of the freaks (4-6) cars out there that made 210 - 215WHP. along with the ones who made 260 -263 WHP then your average is right on the 227WHP mark.
Mine was one of the unusual ones testing in at 263 whp stock before the reflash.
Now let me add that many things can affect a true dyno rreading but never the less the correctional value can vary from 10-20 whp as a given.
Weather, type of gas, factory settings including boost and tolerances. Some tolerances may be in spec some may not be. You could have two identical engines new and they can vary in power because of a simple clamp that may be loose in the intake.

Some evo owners have been back to the dealer after installing a boost gauge and never getting above 15-16 psi peak. After some tightening of the stock clamps for the charge hoses the magically have steady boost again.
After being on the EVO forum for a while i realized a couple of things that i needed to check after i picked mine up. First thing i did was take apart the entire front half of the intake system to make sure everything was rightand tight, which if you can guess THEY werent!!

Now after reflashing the Stock ECU with a new timing, fuel and boost curve the stock evo can produceincredible numbers. Keep in mind that the factory had the car running 9-10:1 A/F ratio.
right now i'm at 10.6-11.1:1 consistenly at intial boost all the way to redline. The dyno tuner wanted to keep me in a safe zone once i go home and turn up the boost.

Also another thing some dont know is that the stock EVO's do run approx. 19.1 psi of boost pressure from the factory. BUT that is only at the lower RPM's. As your engine turns faster the ecu sees this and the control solenoid is set to lower the boost at higher levels. Sometimes down to 11psi.
Given this is a TDO5H at that PSI level it wont do to much up top.
The neon would kill it once it got traction in third and fourth gear quarter mile.
The reflash corrects the ECU control over the solenoid by never letting it go under 18psi. So you keep a constant boost thruout and your midrange and top end torque have been dramatically increased.
anyway im glad she runs so strong.
now we will see what she does at the track this week
:D

[unwrittenLaw]

Excuse me while I wipe up my drool...

[xoom xoom]

Originally posted by Micah

Currently I'm looking at eithera Saturn Redline (200HP Supercharged - under $20K) .

Um, please don't, just relax take two of these *hands 2 Sanity Plus pills*. A Saturn?

The turbo on the neon is smaller then the the evo and the only reason it can beat an evo (if it can at all) is because the turbo spools up faster. Plus the srt4 is not awd so it doens't have to put power down to all 4 wheels.

You are also getting alot more with the evo then the neon. Add up the costs for a big brake upgrade, turbo upgrade, legal hid headlamps, awd, and the fact that you can finace the extra cost over years instead of buying upgrades with cash or credit(11.9%).

[FunkyCold5]

I love the EVO. Seen plenty of white ones around Northern Virginia. I'd admire them by driving beside them and just drooling...but then they end up thinking I want to race them and book it. I just wanted to admire the car LOL. Oh well. A guy in a white evo with 1-2 of his buds were on a left turning lane on a light and I pulled up beside them. Just chilling with my girl and listening to some music, next thing you know, he reverses and goes to the slow lane to race me. I'm like..........."awe shit, wtf". Hell, it was late saturday night, got nothing else to do. We played around and obviously he whooped me good. He went and did a Uturn back to the light so he can go to wherever he was going. Only thing I regreted was not giving him a thumbs up on a nice car. Oh well, maybe I'll see him again.

[Installshield 2]

Originally posted by xoom xoom


The turbo on the neon is smaller then the the evo and the only reason it can beat an evo (if it can at all) is because the turbo spools up faster. Plus the srt4 is not awd so it doens't have to put power down to all 4 wheels.



I have yet to see a stock EVO get shit on by a SRT-4...The main thing you see with EVO's is new drivers having difficulty with their some what lathargic shifter (from what I have heard they do not like to be hurried)...So bad driver's end up getting pretty pathetic ETs, and most of the problem occurs between the launch and 1st to 2nd shift...Once the driver gets used to it, it will easily keep up with German pedigrees (non turbo 911's, M3's, S4s etc..)...not just in a straight line, but on "TheRing", braking, cornering, looking cool...

A good driver with SRT-4 will most likely be able to give a stock WRX a run, assuming it is an 03 SRT-4...The 04 SRT-4's get a bump in output (and whether it is the stock 2.4L's bhp rating adjusted, since it was clearly more powerful than 215bhp...or if it did indeed gain another 15-20bhp on the already 255 neighborhood), and a mopar LSD...That will definately improve it's 1/4 mile times, and possibly place it's 0-60's in under 5 seconds...EVO's do 0-60 regularly in the 4.8-9 second neighborhood with accustomed drivers...But an 03 EVO and an 03 SRT-4, my money goes to the EVO...The EVO will jump on the launch, and gain enough to stay ahead before the end of the 1/4 mile...On an open highway this may not be the case though...

[RAAZ227]

Originally posted by perfworks
Those cars are very OVERRATED. The only good thing is the transmission seems to hold up better than the previous one in the wrx's

How are the STi's 'VERY OVERATED'?? The last I checked STi ran a 13.2 and the Evo ran 13.08. Pretty close to me.

[perfworks]

Originally posted by RAAZ227
How are the STi's 'VERY OVERATED'?? The last I checked STi ran a 13.2 and the Evo ran 13.08. Pretty close to me.
When in comparisont o the WRX the only real feeling to the car that can be called AN IMPROVEMENT is the tranny.
A little stronger ball bearing version of the IHI has been on the market for years. To pay almost 7000$ more than a WRX isnt really worth it for me. She doesnt handle anywhere near the way the EVO does. Some say it is a MUCH better vehicle that is why i said that.
But whatever.

[Installshield 2]

I just realized that a stock EVO with another 3-4 grand in mods will absolutely destroy 996 911 Turbo's, and it is a sedan,:D...That kicks ass...I drove a GT-2 last winter, and it was nuts...but I couldn't get over the worrying of turning that $180,000+ machine into a $180,000+ heap of crumpled metal/leather/carbon fiber/circuit transitors etc...

[perfworks]

Originally posted by Installshield 2
I just realized that a stock EVO with another 3-4 grand in mods will absolutely destroy 996 911 Turbo's, and it is a sedan,:D...That kicks ass...I drove a GT-2 last winter, and it was nuts...but I couldn't get over the worrying of turning that $180,000+ machine into a $180,000+ heap of crumpled metal/leather/carbon fiber/circuit transitors etc...
very true,
Stock internals and 3000$ upgrade turbo intercooler and AFC = 500WHP

new block with upgraded rods and pistons, turbo, intercooler. $6000 and AEM = 700WHP

by the way the $3000 includes what i wrote above, also the $6000 includes the AEM and such also.

[ddogg777]

Hey Nick, I thought the Pros handle very well in cornering, is the EVO a lot better like you say? Also, how come you're not getting JEs and Pauters from your friend for this car?

[FBI14]

I was staying with Nick pretty good through the twisties at a meet back in Oct, its the straights were there was no comparison

[perfworks]

Originally posted by ddogg777
Hey Nick, I thought the Pros handle very well in cornering, is the EVO a lot better like you say? Also, how come you're not getting JEs and Pauters from your friend for this car?
The protege is a great handling car . I love my pro5. For the type of car it is and for the money its great. The evo just has a better feel then anything i have ever driven. Steering radius and responce is phenominal. Plus it helps that the AWD can do some great stuff when coming out of the turn.
As far as FBI's comment. Yeah we had alot of fun that day. His car and an MSP in general handles real good. Better than any other car in its class and then some.
As far as the internals are concerned i did. The pauter rods are on the way;)
Just not in the mod list. Reason? because i want to see what the stock internals can do.

[DiscreetSpeed]

hey nick ^^my buddy's got an evo with a 3"cat back and gutted cat with a bc pushin 21 lbs....he runs 12.5 in the 1/4 mile....this guys shit is fast....no way i can be that quick without doing some serious mods.
it just shocks me that with the little mods he put in make them that quick..
nice!

[CruzinAltitude]

Originally posted by unwrittenLaw
Yeah if I didn't have a wife, I'd have an Evo :)...but I like my wife better..except when she yells at me..


I bet an Evo wouldnt yell at you! But then again, you can love your car, but you cant LOVE your car! So I think you made the right choice.

[perfworks]

Originally posted by DiscreetSpeed
hey nick ^^my buddy's got an evo with a 3"cat back and gutted cat with a bc pushin 21 lbs....he runs 12.5 in the 1/4 mile....this guys shit is fast....no way i can be that quick without doing some serious mods.
it just shocks me that with the little mods he put in make them that quick..
nice!
YUP uncorked they do really well. I should be in the twelves but third gear is a little notchy. Next week when i go it should be fun to watch.

[PaulMP3]

Originally posted by RAAZ227
How are the STi's 'VERY OVERATED'?? The last I checked STi ran a 13.2 and the Evo ran 13.08. Pretty close to me.

i have read/heard by removing the stock muffler an STI can run high 12's... everything else stock.

[Zray]

All y'all talking about the SRT4, I just wanna know if you have actually driven one yet? I did, and I got nothing nice to say about it, so that's all I got to say 'bout that :D I was super gung-ho about the SRT4 too, I'd read up on them for a couple weeks before going in to drive one, had a mod path mapped out and everything. One test drive though and I walked away without a second thought - I'll never own a SRT.

That EVO sounds pretty nice though =) It also sounds like I'd want to take it to someone like perfworks first thing if I got one, those loose screws would make me a little nervous :/

[perfworks]

Well she is apart and looking good. The manifold, cooler and piping should be done this coming week.
Andy Wagner is doing a great job fabbing the piping.
Here are some pics ealry in the stages.
Ill keep this thread updated as we get done.

[perfworks]

and this one

[perfworks]

And a pic of the new bar and plate cooler as a direct replacement.

[PaulMP3]

that last pic is hard to see..

looking good though... very big turbo.. It is a ceramic ballbearing correct?? Im pissed i didnt spend the extra cash to upgrade my turbo to ceramic ballbearing when i had the chance.. I cant wait to see the finished product.. it is gonna be sick.. Im sure the mani is gonna look awesome too.

Maybe i will head up there when you pick it up so i can go for a ride in it.

[PaulMP3]

i like how there is no welds on the DP flange. Looking real clean

[PreFknLude_SiR]

That's odd...

What type of dyno is that? A 4WD is supposed to lose more hp due to having 4 wheels having to share the power instead of having just 2 wheels..

Here are my friends' dyno.
http://www.phatkokracing.com/albums/albuo45/Dyno_Leif_AWD.sized.jpg
http://www.phatkokracing.com/albums/albuo45/Leif_Dyno_Chart.sized.jpg


http://www.phatkokracing.com/albums/albuo45/Dyno_Dennis_Engine.sized.jpg
http://www.phatkokracing.com/albums/albuo45/Dyno_Denniss_Dyno.sized.jpg

The Evo is stock, and the STI is boosting higher than stock with minor mods. I'm curious to how you are putting out more power stock. What type of dyno machine?

[Turbo Matty P]

Nick, I think you're going to smoke me!! I take back my challenege I issued earlier about the Turbo-pitno VS the EVO.

[deckedoutmp5]

makes me sad becaues for under 19 grand you can have 320 whp with fatory warranty and run 12's all day. they use the pure stock motor and internals and they run it at 1000 whp. they are machines and have been totally redesigned. its simply amazing what power that car makes. the fact you can buy mopar kits and keep warranty is just awesome also. i have buds that have them. they stomp on pretty much anything around. evos are wild also, have a few buds with those. they vary so much from HP its crazy, from the factory they hit as low as 220 whp up to 298 whp thats too big a variance. id make them dyno it before i bought it to make sure i dont get one of the many "dud" evos. i love AWD but the sti handles better. but shit for the money, get the srt4. youd be dumb not too. im goin to go cry now that i have all this money in my car and will maxing my wagon at 400 hp when you can get 1000 out of a neon on stock everything internal wise :( :cry:

:edit: the 2nd gen srt4 is WAY diff car with the LSD and other minor changes, I have driven both lots of times. they act and handle way diff, so if you drove a non lsd one go back and drive the 2nd gen. youll creme.

[hukster00]

how can srt4 handle 1k hp on stock internals ?

[PreFknLude_SiR]

Originally posted by hukster00
how can srt4 handle 1k hp on stock internals ? Because the SRT engine comes built from the factory... similar to Toyota FI engines..

[RAAZ227]

Originally posted by PreFknLude_SiR
Because the SRT engine comes built from the factory... similar to Toyota FI engines..


So does the WRX, STi, & Evo, Come built to handle boost. So you are saying the I could take a SRT motor and get a 1000 hp with the 'off the show room floor' motor????

[PreFknLude_SiR]

Originally posted by RAAZ227
So does the WRX, STi, & Evo, Come built to handle boost. So you are saying the I could take a SRT motor and get a 1000 hp with the 'off the show room floor' motor???? Go look at the SRT forums and you'll know what I mean. I'm not saying that you can turn up the boost "hella" high on a stock turbo on a stock SRT engine. The WRX and STI comes built, but they are already boosting 19-22psi, whereas the SRT is not.

[hukster00]

:bs: its hard to bolive, that it will handle 1000 hp, even the evo/sti max they would do is 500+whp before upgrading the internals

[PreFknLude_SiR]

Originally posted by hukster00
:bs: its hard to bolive, that it will handle 1000 hp, even the evo/sti max they would do is 500+whp before upgrading the internals Hm.. even the JUN Evo is only about 500whp.. It's hard to find 600ish EVO or STi.

[RAAZ227]

Originally posted by PreFknLude_SiR
Go look at the SRT forums and you'll know what I mean. I'm not saying that you can turn up the boost "hella" high on a stock turbo on a stock SRT engine. The WRX and STI comes built, but they are already boosting 19-22psi, whereas the SRT is not.


I hear you on that.

A stock WRX is boosting just below 1 bar. They can handle 19-20psi easily on stock internals. The WRX runs real rich for a stock car.

[deckedoutmp5]

yeah i was a neon hater until i did my reserach and see this with my eyes and started messing with them. 1000 stock internals. 8 second car. STOCK INTERNALS. smile, its sweet. stop dissin. buddy is putting a 2.4 in a neon rt... total sleeper its gonna be sweet.

[PaulMP3]

there is a sweet writeup in turbo mag. a few months back with pictures of the Neon srt4 engine.. They stated that they didnt have time to test all the strengths of the parts to make them cheap.. they just put overkill strength internals in the engines.

[turboge]

I believe just the castings are stock, the crank, rods, pistons, valves, etc have all undergone "Racing" treatment for the drag car. The stock SRT-4 is very strong and with the right upgrades can put out very highly respectable numbers.

[hukster00]

yes but he is saying that it will do that on stock motor, and jun evo is not stock it has the 2.2 jun stroker kit in it, and that aint stock eather

[deckedoutmp5]

they redid the vavles, slightly, its stock internals. that is one extreme case of 1000 hp, but you see my point. you dont need to spend more then 18 grand that INCLUDES the brand new car to run 12s and have 300-400 whp with a warranty. thats my point. you CANT beat that shit.

[turboge]

Get a hayabusa and throw a T76 on it :) Shouldn't be all too expensive, and think of the power to weight ration :D

[deckedoutmp5]

i had a t28 on my gixxer 750... and im putting on a turbo on a zx12r.

bikes and boost = i am the god of the road. lol

[PaulMP3]

bikes plus boost= crazy

[turboge]

Toooo small.... Must have BIGGER turbo on bike.. must have 6500whp @ 26000rpm.

[PreFknLude_SiR]

Originally posted by hukster00
yes but he is saying that it will do that on stock motor, and jun evo is not stock it has the 2.2 jun stroker kit in it, and that aint stock eather You said EVO and STi are capable of 500+ hp, and I'm saying that JUN Evo is HIGHLY modified, but it only puts out 540hp or something, which means that Evos have trouble getting to 600hp even modded, whereas the Neon is capable of handling up to 1000hp on its engine..

[hukster00]

no, deckedoutmp5 sad that neon will do 1k hp on stock internals aka no mods to it what so ever and i sad that evo/sti would do 500+whp max on stock internals,

thas y the :bs:

[PreFknLude_SiR]

Originally posted by hukster00
no, deckedoutmp5 sad that neon will do 1k hp on stock internals aka no mods to it what so ever and i sad that evo/sti would do 500+whp max on stock internals,

thas y the :bs: Don't forget that Dodge owns part of Mitsubishi.. The new Neon is built with the help of Japanese engineers..

[hukster00]

ye but i read the srt4 engin was designed in germany, and show me a proof that the srt4 engin hit 1k hp on stock internals, even the mopar srt4 maks 900+hp and they have upgraded whole engin exept for the crank/block if it can take 1k hp y even tuch it

[RAAZ227]

How do we know the JUN EVO was built for Drag Racing or Road Racing. If it were built for Drag racing they would pull a ton more ponies out of it. For the Road Racing part of it, they might have built it for more managable horsepower. JUN name is mostly in Road Racing.


just my $.02

[hukster00]

JUN HYPER LEMON EVO V was developed in order to run a circuit fastest.