How To: Kill your turkeys [Archive]

505zoom

11-25-2003, 05:20 PM

This guide is for people with aftermarket/custom hardpipes. For those of you who are running the stock plastic pipes, read this to get an idea of what you will be doing, and then refer to "Mach 3.5 Turbo's" thread for attatching the HKS to the stock pipes, found here:
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47267

If you have specific questions about the installation process, ask them here. Please put ALL other compressor surge related posts in my other thread: http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39676, or in sonicraze's thread in FI: http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39433. Or you can PM me.

I would like to keep this thread organized and informative. It will make it better for someone who needs help with the install.

The iON FMIC/hardpipes, and HKS SSQV are what were used on the car in the pics.

1. Assuming that you are running the stock by-pass valve (BPV), and hardpipes, choose an aftermarket BOV that you like. The HKS SSQV, and the Greddy type-S work for sure. You will also need a stainless steel or aluminum flange that is compatible with your new BOV.

2. Remove the section of hardpipe that connects to the throttle body(TB).
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/dsc00429edit.jpg

3. On this section of pipe, you will want to make a hole that is the exact same size as the inner diameter(ID) of your flange. Make this hole no closer than 3", and no further than 14" from the TB.
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/dsc00464edit.jpg

4. Have your flange welded(or weld it yourself) so it lines up with the hole that you made on the hardpipe. This cost me less than 25$ to have done at my local welder.
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/dsc00474.jpg

5. Attach your BOV to the now welded flange/hardpipe, and reinstall into it's original position.
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/dsc00530smaller.jpg

6. Run a dedicated vacuum line to your new BOV, or tee into a vacuum line close to the manifold, and run as short of a line as possible to the nipple on the BOV.
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/dsc00536small.jpg

7. This is the key: Leave your stock BPV in place.

8. You will now need to adjust your valve. Go on a drive and take a wrench for adjusting. The adjustment bolt on the SSQV is a 10mm. Start with the bolt at the loosest setting it can be without falling out, and tighten it 1 full turn for the initiall setting BEFORE you drive it. Test it and if it sounds like the valve is opening just a little too early, tighten some more. Repeat this process untill it performs and sounds the way you want. You want the valve loose enough to fully open under boost, but not so loose that it opens too early.
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/dsc00537small.jpg
You're done! Now go and drive your gobbleless car! You can now scare innocent bystander's with a different sound:) Enjoy

If you are running hardpipes and an aftermarket BOV and are still getting the surge, the steps are simple:
1. Reinstall your stock BPV to compliment the aftermarket BOV you are running.
2. Give your BOV a clean vacuum source.

jersey_emt

11-25-2003, 05:33 PM

AWESOME job Rich...clear instructions and clear pics. Glad to hear you finally killed the turkey. Just in time for Thanksgiving too!

turboge

11-25-2003, 05:33 PM

I'm not seeing your stock BPV anywhere in the pics after you installed the SSQV. Also, why do you have a MAP sensor hooked up?

^tyrant^

11-25-2003, 05:34 PM

great work man, nice and clean. this should get a sticky in the how-to

505zoom

11-25-2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by turboge
I'm not seeing your stock BPV anywhere in the pics after you installed the SSQV. Also, why do you have a MAP sensor hooked up?

The stocker sits right underneath the injen, you can see the hose that leads back to the injen in step 5. Here's a better look, the clear hose and elbow has been replaced;)
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/dsc00531smaller.jpg

Where do you see a map hooked up? I don't have one:)

505zoom

11-25-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by jersey_emt
AWESOME job Rich...clear instructions and clear pics. Glad to hear you finally killed the turkey. Just in time for Thanksgiving too!

Yeah:D

Originally posted by ^tyrant^
great work man, nice and clean. this should get a sticky in the how-to

If a mod would like to put this there, please do. I wasn't sure about the process of getting it there.

PaulMP3

11-25-2003, 05:49 PM

i dont understand why one BOV wont work... it seems to work fine for all us boosted protege..

505zoom

11-25-2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by paulmp3
i dont understand why one BOV wont work... it seems to work fine for all us boosted protege..

Our turbos must just be very easy to surge. I don't know of anyone who has put a msp turbo on a es/lx/mp3 protege yet.

turboge

11-25-2003, 05:52 PM

What's zip tied to the A/C line in step 6?

I'm guessing you had another setup on this BOV which you cut the Injen pipe down, and thats why you've had to re-locate the stock BPV?

505zoom

11-25-2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by turboge
What's zip tied to the A/C line in step 6?

I'm not sure what that is. It was mounted on the stock IC----->TB pipe, and I had no where to remount it with the iON kit. I just zip tied it down.

Originally posted by turboge
I'm guessing you had another setup on this BOV which you cut the Injen pipe down, and thats why you've had to re-locate the stock BPV? [/B]

Exactly, trial and error my friend:D

jflo

11-25-2003, 06:01 PM

first, i'd like to say AWESOME !

now, can u get some sound clips of ur SSQV ? where is the BPV connected to before recirculating to the CAI ?

also, does this mean that u're venting and recirculating @ the same time ?

AutoBox

11-25-2003, 06:07 PM

alot of work just to get the pphhhssssss :)

505zoom

11-25-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by jflo
first, i'd like to say AWESOME !

now, can u get some sound clips of ur SSQV ? where is the BPV connected to before recirculating to the CAI ?

also, does this mean that u're venting and recirculating @ the same time ?

Yes this setup is venting through the SSQV, while also recirculating through the stock BPV. With the BOV adjusted properly, you will not stall running like this.

Look at my picture a couple of posts up, and you can see where the stock valve is.

Here are the sound clips that show the difference between the HKS recirculated and the dual valve setup:

HKS recircualting, no stock valve:
http://www.wpi.edu/~jck15243/MOV00495.MPG
This is also very similar to the sound of the stock BPV.

New setup: HKS open vent, with stock BPV recirculating:
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/mov00533.mpg

SpcyOrangeMSP03

11-25-2003, 06:19 PM

so there is no way to do this without hardpipes? and how did u connect both valves, sounds sweet ass...im just a little confused on the dual valves?>!

Dexter

11-25-2003, 06:21 PM

im going to try in exactly an hour with a stock setup and HKS. it probably wont work, but ill post

505zoom

11-25-2003, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by SpcyOrangeMSP03
so there is no way to do this without hardpipes? and how did u connect both valves, sounds sweet ass...im just a little confused on the dual valves?>!

I don't know of a way to do this without hardpipes, but that doesn't mean that it can't be done.

The stock BPV is left in place, and recirculating back to the injen. The SSQV is open-vent.

505zoom

11-25-2003, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Dexter
im going to try in exactly an hour with a stock setup and HKS. it probably wont work, but ill post

Awesome!! Good luck man, let us know.

DiscreetSpeed

11-25-2003, 06:28 PM

hey Rich i so love the turbo bov sound..the way its suppose to sound...lol

Leadfoot

11-25-2003, 06:31 PM

Excellent work Rich...now it's gonna be harder for me to wait til I get my FMIC! Have you put in the fins in the HKS to tweek the sound yet...it sounded like that clip was done before you put them in? If so, post some clips w/ the fins if you get a chance....thanks again!

505zoom

11-25-2003, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by DiscreetSpeed
hey Rich i so love the turbo bov sound..the way its suppose to sound...lol

Yeah man, I liked the turkey sound when I first installed the injen, but after awhile it just got annoying. After it became clear it was compressor surge, it almost hurt me to hear it.

505zoom

11-25-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Leadfoot
Excellent work Rich...now it's gonna be harder for me to wait til I get my FMIC! Have you put in the fins in the HKS to tweek the sound yet...it sounded like that clip was done before you put them in? If so, post some clips w/ the fins if you get a chance....thanks again!

The silver fin sounds just like the recirculating fitting, or no fin at all. The gold fin is what I have in there now and it's almost like a squeek added on to the whoooosh. I tried to record it, but the sound maxed out my mic and wouldn't come through.(laugh) I'll try again with the mic mounted further from the BOV.

TurboMan

11-25-2003, 07:26 PM

505: This is some really great work that you've done. I for one, can sleep better at night knowing that my MSP will not always make a turkey noise. The whole turkey BOV/stall issue has been an irritating problem for so many people and I'm glad that someone finally resolved it.

Dex: Thanks for trying this out for the poor man like myself without hardpipes. :)

505zoom

11-25-2003, 07:30 PM

For whatever reason, it just won't pick up the whistle. I just shot some new ones and got the same thing. It still sounds pretty good on the clip, but nothing compared to the real thing. I'll get a friend to film a drive by soon and hopefully that will be a little closer to the way it really sounds.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/mov00540.mpg

AutoBox

11-25-2003, 07:52 PM

so that final sound clip is of the two vlaves workin together??? hmm i may go ahead anf get a fmic before exhast and intake :)

505zoom

11-25-2003, 07:54 PM

Yeah, that is the sound of my current setup. Gold fin in the HKS.

Leadfoot

11-25-2003, 08:03 PM

yeah, you can just hear the "squeek" , but all in all it sounds great! Thanks for the clip! I'm anxious to see how Dexter makes out.

II-Savy

11-25-2003, 08:53 PM

"After it became clear it was compressor surge, it almost hurt me to hear it."

Does it hurt the compressor? Will this eventually hurt the car?

Leadfoot

11-25-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by II-Savy
"After it became clear it was compressor surge, it almost hurt me to hear it."

Does it hurt the compressor? Will this eventually hurt the car?

It's my understanding (those w/ more know-how correct if I'm wrong) that compressor surge w/ hurt the car in the long run, but probably not until after warranty (?) It's basically the turbo spinning backwards (RIGHT?)

jflo

11-25-2003, 09:10 PM

i think so...check 505's other thread debating on the compressor surge of the turbo and the BOV or something...compressor surge is when the air is reflected off of something and goes back to the turbo. it pretty much will try to make the turbo spin the opposite direction and could screw up the shaft/fins/housing if there's too much of it going on

II-Savy

11-25-2003, 09:13 PM

O man not good news, so I don't understand how taking away the air box will eventually kill the turbo....? That's basically what we are saying here right?

I hope Dexter figuares this one out with stock pipes.

*SpLiT*

11-25-2003, 09:14 PM

i like turkeys

505zoom

11-25-2003, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by II-Savy
O man not good news, so I don't understand how taking away the air box will eventually kill the turbo....? That's basically what we are saying here right?

I hope Dexter figuares this one out with stock pipes.

Taking away the stock airbox is only allowing you to hear what is going on better. The stock stuff just muffles the noise.

Just how bad for the turbo is the compressor surge in our cars? Tough to say, and some people have differing views, but I don't really want to find out. It sounds way healthier now:)

II-Savy

11-25-2003, 10:10 PM

Ok I understand. So every MAZDASPEED does it every day no matter what intake you have. I have to think Mazda wouldn't build it to fail.....just like that other guy said, every one would break eventually.

I still hope Dexter or you can find a way to kill the turkey with a stock set-up....with a CAI.

LiLiTaLy

11-25-2003, 10:35 PM

I got Spools hard pipes and an HKS Ssqv and i have no turkey. It always whistles and squeeks, it sounds great.

II-Savy

11-25-2003, 10:50 PM

LiLiTaLy - So your stock Blow off is gone correct?

LiLiTaLy

11-26-2003, 12:03 AM

yup sittin in my basement. The only thing is I have the stock intake. Maybe with a cold air the sound would change. Not really sure?

Emode

11-26-2003, 12:06 AM

and your venting to atmosphere?
do you stall?

LiLiTaLy

11-26-2003, 12:11 AM

yes i can stall if i rev it out and throw it in neutral. I have only stalled a couple of times. Mostly to blow off for people.

Emode

11-26-2003, 12:13 AM

also are you running dedicated vacuum lines, for the bov and wastegate? or still the stock hose routing...

505zoom

11-26-2003, 12:27 AM

Mine would stall very easily when I had the HKS recirculating by itself, and when I had it open-vent by itself. Anytime the rpms were allowed to drop to idle from above 3000rpm, it would stall, or bounce back after hitting nearly zero. This was very annoying, but now I can fully rev it to redline and it just drops back down smoothly.

Emode

11-26-2003, 12:35 AM

i wonder why it is though that some people can get rid of the turkey with just dedicated lines and a close to TB BOV, while others need to do the BOV/BPV combo, even though your hks is close to the TB also.

jflo

11-26-2003, 12:48 AM

the thing i like about this tho is how he doesn't stall @ all...that's just insane

Dexter

11-26-2003, 01:00 AM

its not gonna work on stock pipes. i dont have pics now, but i T'd off between the turbo-to-IC pipe and the stock BPV. i connected the HKS open vent and left the stocker recirculated. i mean, it looked like a cool setup, but it just isnt going to work with the stock pipes. I ran a dedicated vacuum line for the HKS off the intake manifold. i wanted to run the stock BPV and the wastegate off different lines but i had no more hose tees. i doubt it would have done much anyways. the HKS needs to be close to the TB. all in all, failure, sorry guys.

505zoom

11-26-2003, 01:20 AM

Bummer man, sorry to hear that.

I was actually just thinkin about this, and I thought of a way that maybe you guys with the stock IC--->TB pipe could do it. It would be risky, but you guys could just cut out a section of the stock pipe near the TB, and use silicone couplers (like the ones that connect the injen piping to the maf) to add in a small section of hard pipe. I no longer have my stock IC piping here, so I can't check it out first hand, but I think that it might be possible.

Think about this before you run out and do it, screw up, and you will be mangling your stock pipe, and I'm sure it aint cheap if you mess up.

JDM Sam

11-26-2003, 02:10 AM

Note* The gold fin and silver fin are the same thing, just different color. Check the turbo section on my site in my sig for the pics. The purple fin however is a lower tone sound. I have the purple fin, but it sucks IMO cuz it just silences it, so it's barely audible. Maybe the purple fin would be a louder whoosh on higher boost cars such as a supra. Anyone in Dallas who has heard my valve knows it whistles like it should.

instylz

11-26-2003, 10:44 AM

How would I install this on my setup. Pic Here: http://protege5.com/vbb230/attachment.php?s=&postid=552715

My bov is by the ic/turbo pipe. Additionally with the stock bpv one end would install to the injen but what about the other? Would I need to drill a hole into the throttle body pipe and attach a nipple to place the stock bpv in? Thanks :) and terrific writeup.

WillisW555

11-26-2003, 11:34 AM

2 things I just thought of in regard to this.

1. Has anyone tried to contact Mazda or Callaway regarding the compressor surge?
2. Maybe we can just get the one hard pipe and make this mod instead of the whole set of hard pipes. Would that work if we could get someone to sell it like that?

azian6er

11-26-2003, 12:05 PM

question for you 505

i understand about the placement of the hks but where do the lines from your stock recirc valve go? I think one goes back into the injen but where does the boost side of the recirc valve come from? Is it on the spool pipes already? or did you make a new nipple for it?

-B

II-Savy

11-26-2003, 01:08 PM

"1. Has anyone tried to contact Mazda or Callaway regarding the compressor surge?"

I'm going to try.....

INGREXCO

11-26-2003, 02:10 PM

Holy shit... thats all i can say. Can we get our friend Terry from spool to make hardpipes come like this?

505zoom

11-26-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by instylz
How would I install this on my setup. Pic Here: http://protege5.com/vbb230/attachment.php?s=&postid=552715

My bov is by the ic/turbo pipe. Additionally with the stock bpv one end would install to the injen but what about the other? Would I need to drill a hole into the throttle body pipe and attach a nipple to place the stock bpv in? Thanks :) and terrific writeup.

Yes, that sounds right to me. iON set up their kit to run the stock BPV by having basically a threaded hole in the TB pipe. You screw in a 90 degree elbow to that, and then you can place the stock valve and hosing on the elbow.

505zoom

11-26-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by azian6er
question for you 505

i understand about the placement of the hks but where do the lines from your stock recirc valve go? I think one goes back into the injen but where does the boost side of the recirc valve come from? Is it on the spool pipes already? or did you make a new nipple for it?

-B

The iON kit comes with a place to attach the stock valve on the TB pipe. You can almost see it in this pic:

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/505zoom/dsc00531smaller.jpg

LinuxRacr

11-26-2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by JDM Sam
Note* The gold fin and silver fin are the same thing, just different color. Check the turbo section on my site in my sig for the pics. The purple fin however is a lower tone sound. I have the purple fin, but it sucks IMO cuz it just silences it, so it's barely audible. Maybe the purple fin would be a louder whoosh on higher boost cars such as a supra. Anyone in Dallas who has heard my valve knows it whistles like it should.

Yes it does. I've heard it in person. It whistles.

505zoom

11-26-2003, 05:42 PM

JDM Sam- Can you still hear any compressor surge when you let off the gas above 3000rpms, without putting in the clutch??? Mine still had major surge before I reinstalled the second valve.
Also do you have any stalling issues??? That is another thing that this dual valve setup really fixed for me.

JDM Sam

11-27-2003, 03:25 AM

nope it just gives a loud long blast whistle. thats when it sounds best too (above 3000 rpm letting off the gas). no stalling either. ask linux we went for a cruise down greenville I left it in 2nd and let the bov play its tune for all to hear.

Aricjm15

11-27-2003, 03:33 AM

this is all way to much work, I just sneak up on the fucker with a baseball bat and then WHAMMM!!!!!, dead turkey and dinney on the table :D

505zoom

11-27-2003, 12:50 PM

JDM, I have looked at your setup before when you were going to sell it, and again last night when I was chattin with Dex. I am really confused as to how this is curing the compressor surge for you. Are you still using the stock intake/airbox??? If so, then that explains it a little. But I can't really imagine that the angled piece that you used is that much better than the way that Dex set up his VW friend's HKS.

Dexter

11-27-2003, 03:53 PM

yeah JDM still has the stock airbox

JDM Sam

11-27-2003, 05:33 PM

on my sig theres a sound recording i made. i just used sound recorder to tape the video cam. you can hear the whistle over the road noise if you listen carefully.

soundbombing

11-27-2003, 10:04 PM

Since back in march or so I've had the ssq, no real turkey noise I guess. I posted this vid awhile back

http://members.cox.net/mazdaweed/hksbov.wmv

stalls but my bov needs to be rebuilt and adjusted correctly.

Speedy_Guy00

11-29-2003, 03:57 PM

soundbombing........ who did your hard pipes?

soundbombing

11-29-2003, 04:14 PM

custom fabrication shop in lakeside, cali. nice stuff.

Speedy_Guy00

11-29-2003, 04:20 PM

yea real nice

instylz

11-30-2003, 11:58 AM

On thing I forgot to mention on my previous post is that my BOV is on my turbo to Intercooler pipe. It is nowhere near the Throttle Body. Here is the pic once more.

My Picture (http://www.protege5.com/vbb230/attachment.php?s=&postid=552715)

Will I still be able to do this mod? I'm not going to get a hole machined from a shop then find out later that it won't work because of the positioning of my bov. Thanks :)

mazdaspeed75

12-07-2003, 08:48 PM

How did you connect the bpv to the injen Need to know exact places to run all the lines for bpv Thanks for the info Thanks alot Tony any new pics with new hoses

505zoom

12-11-2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by instylz
On thing I forgot to mention on my previous post is that my BOV is on my turbo to Intercooler pipe. It is nowhere near the Throttle Body. Here is the pic once more.

My Picture (http://www.protege5.com/vbb230/attachment.php?s=&postid=552715)

Will I still be able to do this mod? I'm not going to get a hole machined from a shop then find out later that it won't work because of the positioning of my bov. Thanks :)

Where do you plan on putting the other valve???

I think that it would work best to have one on the turbo--->IC pipe, and one on the IC--->TB pipe. Discreetspeed and I have them both located on the IC--->TB pipe, so I'm not positive that your setup would kill it. I think so, but not sure.

Sorry about the slow response, I almost forgot about this thread:)

505zoom

12-11-2003, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by mazdaspeed75
How did you connect the bpv to the injen Need to know exact places to run all the lines for bpv Thanks for the info Thanks alot Tony any new pics with new hoses

With the iON FMIC hardpipes, the stock BPV is connected to a 90 degree elbow, which is screwed into the IC--->TB pipe, about 18" from the IC outlet.
The other side is connected to the return on the injen via heater hose that you can get at napa. Imagine that the clear tubing in the pics is black and that's what it looks like now;).

ViksMSP

12-14-2003, 07:02 PM

This is my first post on this forum, but i've been reading this for a sometime now. The question I have about the turkey is what is the reason for 2 valves?
To me it seems that the gobble is coming from all that air trying to squeeze through the skinny and long pipe that injen intake has. Because it can't get through it tryes to go back the other way and spin the turbo, bounces back and does the same thing. Am I dead wrong on this? In the next week I will be installing the spool intercooler kit so this is what I will try to do.

1. I have a Greddy type S BOV, I will attach that to the IC>TB pipe.

2. Block or cut-off and close the hole on the intake that injen has provided us for the BPV.

3. Attach a 1" nipple to the intake that is alligned with the bov.

4. connect it with a 1" hose.

Also maybe run a designated vaccum line for it. I don't see why this wouldn't work? Anyone has tried this and know that it won't work?
Thanks for any info. And that's a great how-to.

instylz

12-14-2003, 07:35 PM

I'm confused. If your going to cover up the hole on the intake how are you attaching a nipple to it? I'm sorry for being a noob. Also if you want to completely cover it up nicely visit Advance Auto Parts. They have plugs there specifically to cover up intakes that have a resirc fitting. Cheap as hell and looks nice. :)

ViksMSP

12-14-2003, 11:33 PM

Thanks, I'll check on the Advanced Auto Parts tomorrow.
I want to add another nipple to the intake pipe that is larger in diameter and is not skinny and long like injens. I just want a nipple that's about 1" in diameter and 1" long and I'll fit a hose over it and connect to the BOV on the other side.
Does that make sense? I'll try to take pictures when I do it.

505zoom

12-15-2003, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by ViksMSP
This is my first post on this forum, but i've been reading this for a sometime now. The question I have about the turkey is what is the reason for 2 valves?
To me it seems that the gobble is coming from all that air trying to squeeze through the skinny and long pipe that injen intake has. Because it can't get through it tryes to go back the other way and spin the turbo, bounces back and does the same thing. Am I dead wrong on this? In the next week I will be installing the spool intercooler kit so this is what I will try to do.

1. I have a Greddy type S BOV, I will attach that to the IC>TB pipe.

2. Block or cut-off and close the hole on the intake that injen has provided us for the BPV.

3. Attach a 1" nipple to the intake that is alligned with the bov.

4. connect it with a 1" hose.

Also maybe run a designated vaccum line for it. I don't see why this wouldn't work? Anyone has tried this and know that it won't work?
Thanks for any info. And that's a great how-to.

That might work, but you could just as easily run your type-s open vent, and leave the stock valve in place. I think the key is to have the extra opening that the dual valve setup provides. When I ran my HKS open vent by itself, with a dedicated vacuum source, it still had the problem. So based on that, I can't see how running any sort of return to the intake would be less restrictive than that;).

Discreetspeed tried about as many things as I did, but with different valves. He was using the type-s, and he said that the best way to do it for him was the way that I did it.

If your stock valve is already in place and recirculating, I strongly reccomend doing it like I did. You won't have any surge or stalling, and it will sound great.

Thanks for the props:).

ViksMSP

12-15-2003, 07:32 PM

Now that you mention that, it makes sense. If you vented it and it still gobbled then my setup would not work. It just doesn't make any sense why it does it.. In theory it should work perfectly.
Anyways, I'll try your setup first. Where do you get a designated vacuum source, I'm already tapped in the one that is on the manifold for my EBC.
And do you know, how many times I can tap into a vacuum line before the vacuum pressure starts to decrease??

Sorry for all these questions, but I got one more.

My spool pipes already have a fitting for my type S, so do I just need to make a nipple for my stock valve?
Thanks again for your help.

505zoom

12-15-2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by ViksMSP
Now that you mention that, it makes sense. If you vented it and it still gobbled then my setup would not work. It just doesn't make any sense why it does it.. In theory it should work perfectly.

Yeah, I thought that it would work to just have a less restrictive return on there, so I just ran it open vent because that would give me an idea of how it would react to no restriction at all. It still had the sound, and it would stall very easily.

Originally posted by ViksMSP
Anyways, I'll try your setup first. Where do you get a designated vacuum source, I'm already tapped in the one that is on the manifold for my EBC.

I have the stock BPV on the wastegate line similar to the stock setup. I would hook the type-s to the short line that most people here have their boost gauge hooked up to. I think there is a pic of it in this thread.

Originally posted by ViksMSP
And do you know, how many times I can tap into a vacuum line before the vacuum pressure starts to decrease??

Not sure about how many you can put on one line before you notice a decrease in performance, but you might just consider trying a couple of different ways to see what is the best for you.

Originally posted by ViksMSP
Sorry for all these questions, but I got one more.

My spool pipes already have a fitting for my type S, so do I just need to make a nipple for my stock valve?

If your pipes are setup for the type-s, then yes, to run it like this you would have to weld a small nipple to the pipe to run the stock BPV.

Originally posted by ViksMSP
Thanks again for your help.

Anytime man, if you have any more questions, feel free to PM me or I'm richman6420 on AIM.

BinaryRotary

12-22-2003, 05:53 PM

Just get an HKS Super AFR, it has idle compensation for MAF cars that want to run an open-vented BOV and adjusts a/f mixture accordingly. Plus, it tunes fuel and only costs 220 bucks.

Dr.Sound

12-23-2003, 04:34 PM

^ wow, i've been reading up on HKS Super AFR, and it seems like it would work...

"Electronic Idle Stabilizer Function (EIDS)
This automatic function prevents engine stalling or stumbling in some airflow meter vehicles which use blow-off valves discharged to the atmosphere when throttle is released"

but then it would only cure the stalling.......dont u people get surge even with the hard pipes and a BOV? or did i missread something?

505zoom

12-23-2003, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
.......dont u people get surge even with the hard pipes and a BOV? or did i missread something?

Yeah, the only users I have heard of that have no turkey with just one valve is JDM Sam and LiLiTaLy, but I think that this is due to the fact that they are using the stock intake. They haven't dealt with the super turkey that comes with the injen:D.

ViksMSP

12-30-2003, 01:52 AM

505zoom,
So I get my FMIC installed and my Greddy Type S, ran it open vent and got no turkey but a good sounding PTSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I ended up slicing up the injen, I personally think that injen is a piece of junk, I don't like the way it was designed. I had to install the first plastic intake pipe that goes to the MAF and from there I ran one elbow from the injen, so it's kind of a Short Ram-air. But i did hear the compressor surge when I was messing with the bov setup. When I tightened too much it would make that noise when not boosting high <2psi and anything over would ptssss. But after adjusting it it runs fine.
I'm working on recirculating pipe, later time.
What do you think of this?

505zoom

12-30-2003, 03:47 AM

How is the stalling??? I know that with my setup, I first started with the adjustment screw at it's loosest setting. Discreet also messed with just tuning his type-s, and had no luck. I really don't know what is causing this anymore. Some people run just an open vent valve on hardpipes and fix the surging. I know that my dual valve setup cures the surge while eliminating the stalling normally associated with running an open-vent BOV with a maf equiped car.

I'm glad it's all working good for you.

MSP2746

01-04-2004, 10:58 AM

*rubs paddles together* CLEAR!

Sorry to revive a dead thread, but...

Has anybody talked to Cork Sport about their hardpipes? I was checking out their site and saw this:

"The Cork Sport 'Power Series' Intercooler Pipe kit replaces the plastic/ribbed piping with mandrel bent aluminum pipping (Not welded together mandrel bent pieces as seen on other kits). The kit comes with all the pipes needed, silicone adapters, clamps, hardware, everything needed for installation.Update: The IC Pipe kit will include a Turbo XS Type S Blow Off Valve. This secondary BOV eliminates the annoying "turkey sound" heard on the Mazdaspeed Protege with an aftermarket intake system."

Sounds like they took the work done on this forum and ran with it. They say secondary, so it would seem they are keeping the stock BPV in place and running an additional BOV close to the TB. I'd like to see some pics of this setup, and get a price as well. Are there currently any hardpipe manufacturers that allow you to keep the stock BPV setup in the same location?

Dr.Sound

01-04-2004, 01:33 PM

wow, interesting

505zoom

01-04-2004, 04:08 PM

WHAT?!?!?! I was never contacted for royalties purposes.:D J/K, that's awesome that somebody is using this design for a buyable product for you guys. Mine is fixed, so I don't really give a shit who does it. Would have been nice though, if they had at least chimed in here or one of the other threads to let people know that they were making this.

Oh and BTW, this thread was only clinically dead:D.

oliver2000

01-09-2004, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by MSP2746
*rubs paddles together* CLEAR!

Sorry to revive a dead thread, but...

Has anybody talked to Cork Sport about their hardpipes? I was checking out their site and saw this:

"The Cork Sport 'Power Series' Intercooler Pipe kit replaces the plastic/ribbed piping with mandrel bent aluminum pipping (Not welded together mandrel bent pieces as seen on other kits). The kit comes with all the pipes needed, silicone adapters, clamps, hardware, everything needed for installation.Update: The IC Pipe kit will include a Turbo XS Type S Blow Off Valve. This secondary BOV eliminates the annoying "turkey sound" heard on the Mazdaspeed Protege with an aftermarket intake system."

Sounds like they took the work done on this forum and ran with it. They say secondary, so it would seem they are keeping the stock BPV in place and running an additional BOV close to the TB. I'd like to see some pics of this setup, and get a price as well. Are there currently any hardpipe manufacturers that allow you to keep the stock BPV setup in the same location?

It would be great to have a set out of the box that solves this problem. I was hoping for the ION pipes for xmas but got a beer fridge instead :-).

JD32883

01-13-2004, 10:33 AM

finally found what i was looking for. Thanks for the help

MetalSpeed

01-29-2004, 02:35 PM

Does anybody have an website for this corksport? And does anybody have the exact measurments for the pipes on the Ion FMIC.:confused:

Dr.Sound

01-29-2004, 02:52 PM

http://corksport.com/main.php3?primNavIndex=0&mainURL=%2Fstore%2Findex.php3%3Fcat%3D288105

Dr.Sound

01-29-2004, 02:56 PM

the "tuner computer" (pigyback) is what i'm waitin for.......

*bites his nails*

MetalSpeed

01-29-2004, 03:06 PM

Hey thanks for the info:D

MetalSpeed

01-30-2004, 12:55 PM

505Zoom :confused: I know this probably a dumb question but i will ask it any way; refering to the last picture u posted after the BPV w/ the clear tubing where does the hose go after the 90?

505zoom

02-01-2004, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by MetalSpeed
505Zoom :confused: I know this probably a dumb question but i will ask it any way; refering to the last picture u posted after the BPV w/ the clear tubing where does the hose go after the 90?

Back to the injen.

MetalSpeed

02-04-2004, 09:25 AM

]Back to the injen.
Damn no wonder I had a bad angle at thanks

ViksMSP

02-10-2004, 09:22 PM

505zoom

02-10-2004, 10:09 PM

505ZOOM,
So I'm getting sick of stalling and next week I'm going to add the second valve, but here's my question. My Greddy is sitting about 18" from the TB, should I set my stock one closer to the TB or further away. And I'll be recerculating back to a very short ram-air. max 24" with the filter on.
Thanks,
Vik.

I would suggest that you put the stock valve closer to the turbo, if your greddy is close to the TB.

You might get some interference to the MAF if you have the return real close to it, and it might cause some stalling. Can't say for sure on that one though.

Good luck, my AIM SN is in my profile if you need any help.

Dr.Sound

02-11-2004, 08:58 AM

u have to recirculate at least 10-12 inches away from MAF....otherwise u will stall

MetalSpeed

02-11-2004, 12:13 PM

DiscreetSpeed

02-11-2004, 12:29 PM

I hate to beat a dead horse on this but bear with me I am new on turbo cars I went yesterday to get the RFL TXS, but they said the TXS H34 valve should work without stalling and the turkey sound is just a matter of adjusting the BOV. (boom07) ?????? I am getting hard pipes made this friday please let me know what I should do to get the nice PSSSSSSSSH and get rid of the compressor surge.
have them make you a connection for the stock bpv(see if they can conceal it a bit..like placing it a little further down) so you can recirculate... and weld the flange for the turbo xs rfl like where i have mine (the top of the RFL sits flush with the msp engine cover on the tb pipe)and tell them to stfu...lol
some people are making this out to be a big deal...you keep your bpv and buy a BOV you want..just like any other car, your gettin the BOV you want... people cant even see my bpv, all the pay attention to is the RFL..lol

MetalSpeed

02-11-2004, 12:42 PM

have them make you a connection for the stock bpv(see if they can conceal it a bit..like placing it a little further down) so you can recirculate... and weld the flange for the turbo xs rfl like where i have mine (the top of the RFL sits flush with the msp engine cover on the tb pipe)and tell them to stfu...lol
some people are making this out to be a big deal...you keep your bpv and buy a BOV you want..just like any other car, your gettin the BOV you want... people cant even see my bpv, all the pay attention to is the RFL..lol
Cool man thanks. I will go buy the RFL today no matter what they tell me. (nana)

MetalSpeed

02-11-2004, 12:44 PM

Direct Speed
do you of a web site that sales Silicone hose for cheap. this stuff tends get a little pricey.

Togan

02-11-2004, 07:57 PM

Direct Speed
do you of a web site that sales Silicone hose for cheap. this stuff tends get a little pricey.

yeah sometimes they're very expensive..look in ebay

DiscreetSpeed

02-11-2004, 08:17 PM

yeah sometimes they're very expensive..look in ebay
wrd^^
here are some hoses (http://www.bellengineering.net/turbohose2.html)

505zoom

02-11-2004, 08:59 PM

MetalSpeed

02-12-2004, 08:06 AM

Thanks alot yall, for all the info this thread by far is for me one of the most informative and most responsicve. (nana)

HONDA_KILLER

02-12-2004, 10:04 PM

(nuts)(Question im replacing my bpv on my msp do i take that hose that runs from the top of the BPV and run it to my new greddy bov or do i need to run a different one. i am attaching it to my turbo >> IC pipes (wedge) (drive) (drinks)

DiscreetSpeed

02-13-2004, 12:25 PM

to_jimmy

02-14-2004, 05:04 AM

Dear all,

How to do this in my NA car? Is it possible? Sorry I am new here.(boom04)

BTW, maybe someone has the mic to record down his/her nice sound clip to share...

Tks!

MSP2746

02-14-2004, 08:52 AM

Welcome to the forum! This thread applies only to mazdaspeed protege's. The turkey everyone is referring to is compressor surge, which is a turbo related problem...which only seems to exist on Mazda's factory turbo setups.

505zoom

02-16-2004, 06:21 PM

http://www.msprotege.com/members/505zoom/vaccum%20line%202.jpg

http://www.msprotege.com/members/505zoom/vacuum%20line.jpg

505zoom

07-08-2004, 12:56 AM

bump, haha, just remembering my old turkey huntin days.:D

spicymofo

09-22-2004, 12:02 AM

505zoom

09-22-2004, 02:28 PM

Hmm, was just looking for places to connect the SSQ. I have my boost guage and Profec tapped into the line that the SSQ is connected to in the above picture. Where does the line go with the blue zip ties go? Guage maybe?

That goes to the boost gauge on my TT. I have a new setup though with the vac lines. Here is a new pic... I should have posted this in here but forgot:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/505zoom/Vacuum%20diagram.jpg

JDM Sam

09-23-2004, 12:04 AM

thats a whole lotta lines!

spicymofo

09-24-2004, 06:43 PM

I've got everything hooked up and seems to be running fine, except.......I still get the turkey when running over about 3-4lbs of boost. If I'm running it slowly up to about 2lbs and let off I get the nice whistle and no turkey. Take a look at the setup and let me know what ya think. The bpv is above the bov on the tb>ic pipe.

spicymofo

09-24-2004, 10:03 PM

Bumpity Bump Bump

spicymofo

09-25-2004, 10:36 AM

Bump bump bump bump it up!

505zoom

09-25-2004, 03:07 PM

lol.

Your BPV is backwards.;)

Easy fix there.

spicymofo

09-25-2004, 06:59 PM

As in bpv facing wrong direction, or bpv needs to be below the bpv? Yeah, yeah...I know noob question. (hand)

505zoom

09-26-2004, 12:54 PM

As in bpv facing wrong direction, or bpv needs to be below the bpv? Yeah, yeah...I know noob question. (hand)

BPV is facing the wrong direction. Look at the arrow on the side of it and it will show you which way the air should travel.

EvilMSP

10-21-2004, 05:10 AM

Im Zapping this thread back to life again.

After re-reading this entire thing it's very interesting. It seems like you need to take these steps one at a time to determine your own problem. Cause now there are people that have just one bov open vented with no stalling. But some people need to have this dual setup, its interesting. Will have to install the first one and then see what happens perhaps :). But I do really like 505's video of his dyno with that awsome swoosh sound, so great.

EvilMSP

10-21-2004, 05:27 AM

Also I'm sorry but I need a clarification. I know its in here but there are so many post I am getting lost/confused.

So the aftermarket bov is vented to atmosphere ovbiously. I'm confused where the stock bpv system starts. I see how the stock bpv goes back into the injen intake like it normally does. So there's just a hole in the piping from the......piping from IC to TB before you see the aftermarket bov?? I've become lost in the posts lol.

505zoom

10-21-2004, 05:14 PM

... So there's just a hole in the piping from the......piping from IC to TB before you see the aftermarket bov?? I've become lost in the posts lol.

Exactly.

EvilMSP

10-22-2004, 02:36 AM

Exactly.
Ahh thank you much. It all makes sence to me now :)

03-03-2005, 02:57 AM

Subscribed for incoming parts...

ChiMSP

03-31-2005, 10:29 PM

Has anyone tried this on the hiBoost fmic piping?
I wanted to switch to this set up, but i'm not sure if I can hook up my stock bpv without having to weld on a fitting to my tb pipe. How can I perform this?
Can anybody chimb in please?

Swerny

04-01-2005, 06:04 PM

I don't know about the Hi Boost kit but I'm glad I read this thread.
Thanks 505 Zoom, i was going to sell my HKS SSQV but after dealing with the super turkey with the Ion and Injen, i'm throwing that bad boy on this weekend if possible.
I don't have any fins but anything is better than the ridiculous super turkey and backfire.

ChiMSP

04-07-2005, 01:25 AM

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84757&page=1&pp=15
Well, I've been studying this thread for this whole week and here are my results.
I welded a nipple similarly and in the same location as he did.
I placed the stock bpv in, facing the correct direction and ran it to my intake.
It started to get late so I tried to T-off the vac from my greddy and ran it to the bpv (instead of tapping in to the bb hose)

... And when I went for a test drive, I stalled horribly. Would tapping into the BB line Fix this? I'm going to try again tomorrow night. I would've taken pics but my digi cam ran out of batteries.
PLEASE HELP!!!

Aricjm15

04-07-2005, 01:59 AM

there should be an unused vac thing on the top of your intake manifold, should have a rubber nipple on it, on other protege's its used for cruise controll, and I'mpretty sure its unused on the msp, try using that

ChiMSP

04-07-2005, 10:38 PM

Aricjm15

04-07-2005, 10:48 PM

anybody got a pic of their intake manifold? I dont really have anything to take a picture of :(
but if someone took a picture I could use ye ol mspaint to help thou

ChiMSP

04-07-2005, 10:50 PM

Do you think the vac, could have that big of a factor in my car stalling?

Aricjm15

04-07-2005, 10:51 PM

actualy check the previous page, the one that 505zoom put the hoseclamp on, T into that

ChiMSP

04-07-2005, 10:54 PM

I hope that by doing that, it takes care of the problem (dunno)

ChiMSP

04-09-2005, 01:57 AM

It's 2 am. After connecting the bpv vac to the bb line, the car is stalling less (probably due to the fact that I tightend my bov) but is still stalling. I forgot to post earlier, i've noticed that my exhaust is no backfiring too.
I sitill have all the stock hoses an vac nipple connected to the bpv. I'm going to replace all of them tomorrow and see what happens.
Could it be?:
My bpv is bad?
My MAF is bad?
I'm running out of ideas here.
Edit* I'm going to take more deatailed photos and post them 2morrow, hopefully.

Swerny

04-09-2005, 02:27 PM

is the brake booster line the same internal diameter as the other vac lines?
It looks bigger and i'm not sure my T's will fit it.

ChiMSP

04-09-2005, 02:49 PM

No its not. Well for me at leastt. I used a universal T. I'll post pics of what it looks like later if you like.

Swerny

04-11-2005, 12:21 PM

Ok, who knows the ID of the brake booster line?

Ryoga28

06-16-2005, 11:50 PM

505zoom

06-17-2005, 12:06 AM

Just got back from my mechanics after installing turbohoses smic and hardpies. I still can't completely kill my turkey. Most of the time it's a psssst, but sometimes during hard acceleration the turkey comes back. Any ideas as to how I can fix this problem.

I noticed that my mechanic tee-d the vaccum line nearest to the stock bpv.

Take all that vac hose off, run a new hose from the manifold to the wastegate, and then put 2 T's on the brake booster line for the BOV and BPV. Make sure to kiss your turkey goodbye before you do it, lol... oh and save your stock line and try your best to take it off without cutting it just in case you ever have to go back to stock.

Ryoga28

06-17-2005, 12:12 AM

Thanks, I will be sure to kiss my turkey before I kill it tomorrow. Btw, is the brake booster line a different size tubing than the other vaccum line?

505zoom

06-17-2005, 12:14 AM

Thanks, I will be sure to kiss my turkey before I kill it tomorrow. Btw, is the brake booster line a different size tubing than the other vaccum line?

Yes, 3/8".

Ryoga28

06-17-2005, 12:35 AM

Will the turkey be present if I just tee the brake booster line for the BOV and keep the stock vac line for the bpv?

505zoom

06-17-2005, 12:47 AM

Will the turkey be present if I just tee the brake booster line for the BOV and keep the stock vac line for the bpv?

Tough to say... it is better to just do the full conversion because then you will have an untapped line for your wastegate. Everything just works better with that setup, so I reccomend that over just doing the one tap for the BOV.

Ryoga28

06-24-2005, 05:53 PM

Thanks Rich, I was finally able to track down the proper fittings after visiting two different autozones (20-30 miles apart) and I was able to replace the wastegate hose with a 3/16 rubber fuel line (no one had quality silicon vacuum lines around). The bpv and the bov both have delicated lines from the brake booster now. I noticed that the response time is a bit better and the bov is a bit louder.

Just one question though. The turkey is dead except for times when I rarely shift at low boost. Have you encounter this kind of turkey. Can it be tuned out by the bov or is it an inherent "problem" with the greddy type s bov?

P.s. the stock vac line were really brittle...I was trying my best to save the lines in case of warranty issues, but they literally fell apart on me. Hopefully nothing will happen as long I keep it at the stock boost (spiking to 7 psi and settling at 6 psi).

whitemp5seattle

11-23-2005, 11:12 PM

Happy Thanksgiving everybody! eh? eh? (naughty)

(get it? Kill your turkeys...Thanksgiving...Turkey Day...nm...)

ChiMSP

11-24-2005, 11:53 AM

Waka waka waka!

fLyPiNoY7

03-19-2007, 02:10 AM

505zoom

03-20-2007, 04:10 PM

to bump an old thread, i had a question...

i recently did the maf relocation so that my greddy type-s (vta) is sitting before the maf on the coldpipe...i get turkey unless i remove a spring in the type-s and then it just leaks...can i hook up the stock msp bpv on the coldpipe after the maf to recirc to my intake without any issues?

Hmm. If you recirculate (measured air) from after the maf to before it, it will get counted again. Almost seems like it would do the opposite of a BOV setup on a car with the MAF on the intake.

Venting measured air via BOV with MAF on intake = rich.
Venting unmeasured air via BOV with MAF upstream = normal.
Venting measured air back into the system and measuring again = ???.

Let me ponder this for a bit... I have no testing available for it and I don't know anyone who has tried it before, but I have a feeling it would run less than optimal.

fLyPiNoY7

03-20-2007, 10:37 PM

yeah...i was unsure about that...it just seems that even while im running full vta, im getting turkey...but from talking with a few people on mocc, im assuming its cause im running soo very little boost...

orng1

03-20-2007, 10:55 PM

Yeah I'm getting turkey at 2-3psi but after that I get a good blow of valve sound. Well as good as can be with the blitz, I realy don't like the sound of it.

fLyPiNoY7

03-21-2007, 02:02 AM

yeah...ill be doing a lot of adjusting on the bov to get it right and probably change out the wastegate actuator soon...i finally put back the 2nd spring in the bov so it shouldnt leak anymore...

FF Racer

04-09-2007, 07:49 PM

For those of you who tee'd off the brake booster line, what size tees did you use? It doesn't seem clear to me...

FF Racer

04-15-2007, 10:37 AM

*edit* found

www.dormanproducts.com part number 47354, get 2 packs.

Karna

05-11-2007, 12:40 PM

sorry to bump this old thread but....

im looking into doing this pretty soon and i need some questions answered.
i have replaced my stock bpv with a forge and the turkey is pretty loud. i didnt think it was a big deal till i read this about compressor surge.

i also have a kinetic FMIC and a custom CAI. so my question is...i have relocated my maf and if i was to add a bov to the setup, where would i place it? the maf is supposed to be right by the TB and how i see it the OP has his bov there where my maf is. would it work if i was to place the bov after the maf (anywere between the BPV and the MAF), or does it have to be closer to the TB (simple sequence=TB-MAF-BOV-BPV? or TB-BOV-MAF-BPV?)

as per what bov i would use is a hks ssq but mine seems different than the ones pictured, mine does not have the adjusting screws

tricky

05-11-2007, 01:44 PM

if you've relocated your maf to the charge pipe/ up by the TB you can run a bov anywhere before it. (TB-maf-bov)

also with your maf relocated your bpv is no longer needed

sp33d03

05-18-2007, 07:59 PM

where can yu buy these hard pipes?

tricky

05-18-2007, 10:42 PM

where can yu buy these hard pipes?
they're typically custom made but I know s t r e e t u n i t . c o m sells the charge pipe/ cold pipe with your choice of BOV flange welded on, if not check out the F/S section

sp33d03

06-15-2007, 02:03 AM

505zoom

06-15-2007, 02:36 AM

in order to hook up the BOV you still have to keep your BPV hooked up.. and doing so i have to take the vacume line off the BPV and re-route it and then change a lot.. im kinda lost so if anyone can help me id apperciate it

Some people just T the line and split one to the BOV and one to the BPV. That is how I did the proto. Best way to do it is to tap the brake booster line twice or get a vacuum block, and then run seperate hoses to the BOV and BPV. Doing that has helped countless people who have PM'd me.

505zoom

06-15-2007, 02:43 AM

Sorry let me explain a little more... Tap the brake booster line with 2 T fittings. I believe the BB line is 3/8 but measure it to be sure (it's been awhile since I have explained this if you can't tell, haha). You want a T that will fit in the BB line on 2 sides, and then hook up to your BOV/BPV signal lines for the third side. Run those lines off to the valves. Now you are left with a stock line that can run untapped from the intake manifold to the wastegate. Cap the stock one if you want, but a new line is better.

Running like this is by far a much cleaner way to go. Giving the wastegate it's own signal has it's own benefits, and giving each valve a strong source will ensure that you kill every last bit of surge. Grab those T fittings and 10-15 feet of hose depending on where your valves are, and you should be all set right off the bat.

Feel free to PM me if you need.

sp33d03

06-15-2007, 12:17 PM

thanks a lot guys, ill grab those t fittings and ill get some extra vacume lines and ill get started and if i have ques ill ask, thanks agian

WIMSPWI

11-21-2007, 10:28 AM

what if i want to put my bov on the hot pipe/charge pipe, right in front of the manifold? would that work or no? i'd keep the maf by the filter and keep the bpv on too where it is

SuperStretch18

11-21-2007, 10:37 AM

I opened this thinking it was preperation for Thanksgiving...

DuBy

11-21-2007, 12:50 PM

505zoom

11-21-2007, 02:10 PM

what if i want to put my bov on the hot pipe/charge pipe, right in front of the manifold? would that work or no? i'd keep the maf by the filter and keep the bpv on too where it is

Best to put the BPV on the cold-pipe if you are doing it that way, but yes that will work.

Jboost

11-23-2007, 05:45 PM

has anyone tried this with a type RS need reply asap i can get a good price on one from a buddy right now, better question if anyone has is there any turkey or is the ssqv the best bet to rid of all this after thanksgiving turkey i got...

505zoom

11-23-2007, 06:31 PM

It works and sounds good with the RS. Someone had a clip of that setup awhile back.

bamflee84

01-29-2008, 11:09 PM

Has anyone been able to do this with the perrin fmic, thats what i have and trying to think whehter or not to pick up a bpv and try this. I have a ssqv but had the stalling issues when recirculating. So i swapped out to my old bov for now. Any help on how i can go about this set up. If not i might just do the maf relocation down the road and just vta.

Ok just making sure, the bpv connects to any of the pipes, either cold or hot pips as long as its after the turbo then the other end back to the injen cai? That would make sense right, I have to check in the morning becuase i have another tap but it might be on the intake side, were the hose connects back to the engine itself.

Ok just saw a pic, wouldn't make sense that way.

II-Savy

01-30-2008, 05:50 PM

It only cost me 27 k to kill my turkey!

505zoom

01-30-2008, 05:57 PM

lol, but you got a nice boost in power and some added traction in the process. ;)

II-Savy

01-30-2008, 08:50 PM

lol, but you got a nice boost in power and some added traction in the process. ;)

Yea a bit...;)
Funny though, it still does not blow to atmosphere. The intake helps though.

mgerst1

03-20-2008, 11:53 PM

lol, but you got a nice boost in power and some added traction in the process. ;)

Ok here is my situation, just put in a SRI and found my turkey, I want to keep the stock BPV for now ( will replace later with the forge BPV) and am looking at the forge BOV. My intake has the filter, then the MAF, then the BPV line, then straight pipe to the turbo. I have stock pipes everywhere else, can I buy just one section of the pipes to add the BOV, do you know of any hardpipes that have BOV locations already? I do not have a lot of cash so if I can get away with one section of hardpipe I would like too. I just want to stop this compressor surge ASAP, I got the car in November and am trying my damndest to keep it as close to perfect as possible.

Dr.Sound

03-21-2008, 01:00 AM

hah :)

ChiMSP

03-21-2008, 10:48 AM

This thread brings back some nice memories.

mgerst1

03-27-2008, 07:29 AM

I was wondering, is anyone familiar with the forge BOV, the description says it vents and recirculates, would this eliminate the need for the BPV and the dual setup

mgerst1

06-10-2008, 11:41 PM

well i just answered my own question just for shits and giggles i installed the bov only and i still have the turkey, my turbohoses hardpipes should be here anytime now.

is anyone running the dual setup with the forge bov? if so do you have any pics of how this looks? do you still have turkey with the forge bov? i am debating whether or not to buy a different bov even though i have only had this for two weeks (was planning on doing a maf relocate but am having a hard time cutting my new pipes when they come in, drilling a whole is a different matter, easier to plug a hole than replace missing pipe)

719prottege

06-26-2008, 06:05 PM

Our turbos must just be very easy to surge. I don't know of anyone who has put a msp turbo on a es/lx/mp3 protege yet.

I have a msp kit on an ES

505zoom

06-26-2008, 07:29 PM

I have a msp kit on an ES

That post was made almost 5 years ago, haha... at that time, there was nobody who had done the swap yet. :)

ChiMSP

06-27-2008, 03:06 AM

god i miss my msp :(

boostpower

06-28-2008, 08:35 PM

nice sound !!

msptn03

07-09-2008, 04:18 PM

i have a forge bov for sale if ne 1 is interested! i know its the wrong section so spare me the 3rd degree for posting here! haha PM me if need. i liked my forge bov it sounds great! i just bought an hks though so iam gettin rid of it! if noone buys it b4 i get the hks i might put both of them on and see what it does..or maybe thats a bad idea..?? ne input?

daonly1around

07-09-2008, 04:23 PM

12 gauges usually work GREAT for me in the spring and fall haha

LASERBLUE135

08-17-2008, 01:33 AM

sub'n, cause i'm doing it this week.

c7scayman

10-13-2008, 06:30 PM

Where do I get hard pipes from?
And how much do they cost?

foild1

10-21-2008, 10:22 AM

Can someone please tell me the inlet/outlet size of the stock BPV? I'm wondering if I could match it up to work with this Dual Port BOV
http://www.turbosmartonline.com/index.php?id=48

stdntDrvr

11-02-2008, 08:06 PM

blueprotegelx

08-01-2009, 03:14 PM

well, i am currently running BOV only (venting to atmosphere) and i STILL get the turkey. I ran the BOV out of a vac block off the brake booster...the only other thing that is coming off the vac. block is a line for my boost gauge...did i do something wrong?

Im the same way. I'm going to check my clamps to see if there's a boost leak and check to see if my HKS c-clip is installed correctly. I've tried to adjust it but still get a turkey.

xDJ DUBx

11-04-2009, 02:03 PM

Where does the stock BPV tap into? I have one coming and would like to know if I'll have to get my cold pipe welded or not.

The BPV is tapped into the cold pipe on one side, and tapped into the intake on the other correct?

Currently I am running a Injen CAI for a N/A protege as my cold pipe, I have the nipple for the VC capped off and was wondering if I could use that for the BPV? The nipple on the cold pipe is a tad bit smaller than the BPV opening is, will this be an issue?

Also, do I have to run it back into my intake? I cut my intake really short so I don't have the BPV nipple on it anymore.