How-To...Gauge Disassembly

[xelderx]

Thanks to Bootleg for the camera, tools, floor, and Taco Bell.

This should explain how to dismantel your stock gauges all the way down, with the exception of taking the needles off of the faces.

Tools: Small phillips head screwdriver
Small flathead scrwdriver

http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0394.jpg

First...Remove the metal mounting bracket from the top of the gauge.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0395.jpg

You can remove the LED's by turning them counter-clockwise.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0400.jpg

Now remove the clear plastic cover from the front of the guages by unclipping it in seven different places.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0396.jpg

Next, remove the translucent plastic cover from the back of the assembly by unscrewing the 4 screws.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/4screwsback.jpg

Remove the black plastic cover on the front of the gauges now by unclipping it in 6 places.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0401.jpg

Be very carefull now since your needles are exposed if you lay the gauges down on something.

The Gas and Temp gauges are removed by taking out the 6 screws on the right side of the circuit board.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/6screwstemp.jpg

The Speedometer and Tach assemblies are held in by very small tabs. Just pry the tabs up with your small flathead scredriver and then push them through the cicuit board. It takes a little effort to push them through.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/2tabsspeedo.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/2tabstach.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0406.jpg

Once that is done all you should have left is the circuit board and the white mounting piece.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0407.jpg

Remove the circuit board by taking out the 9-10 screws (couldn't remember if I was missing a screw or not) from the back of the circuit board.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/circutscews.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0409.jpg

That should be everything.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/dscn0410.jpg

Now you should be able to switch gauge faces and odometers into any other protege cluster. I'll have pictures of mine up later.

[enry]

Cool.. A few of the images are broken, can you fix?

[mypfizzle]

nice.. now i can fix my damn temp gauge. -=P

[SpicyMchaggis]

hey, my only problem is now for switching the odometer, its green, while the white face guages i have are red..anyway of switching odometer led colors?

[Dexter]

2 pics in the middle dont work.

[t3ase]

Originally posted by xelderx
Everything works for me. Must be a MSP problem. Haha
Funny. Actually, the cover pics are missing.

[xelderx]

Originally posted by SpicyMchaggis
hey, my only problem is now for switching the odometer, its green, while the white face guages i have are red..anyway of switching odometer led colors?

I don't think you can switch the internal coloring of the odometer, but you could alway make the guage LED's green.

[t3ase]

do you currently have your cluster apart?

[SpicyMchaggis]

not at the moment, but i have a couple times, by the way this page works in mozilla..its what i use too..lame ass IE fools..wahaha

[xelderx]

Originally posted by t3ase
do you currently have your cluster apart?

Not right now, but I have two clusters and one is sitting right beside me. Anything you need me to look at?

[t3ase]

I was interested in seeing the back and all sides of the odometer BUT my car's not going anywhere for a while so I'll just go take mine apart.

[t3ase]

I need a rear shot with all of the LEDs installed. I want to be sure I put them in the right spots.

[xelderx]

Originally posted by t3ase
I need a rear shot with all of the LEDs installed. I want to be sure I put them in the right spots.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/xelderx/Gauges/circutscews.jpg

This is the best shot I have. The four holes at the bottom aren't used. There are 5 LED's on tthe far left and 3 on the far right. There is one small one behind the Gas/Temp gauge. Of the ones at the top...the ones at the top left are both used. The ones at the top right use all but the upper left hole.

If that doesn't make any sense I understand.

[Protege2K]

great job

[t3ase]

Our guages are different from the back. Wish I had taken a pic before.. HRM..

[xelderx]

Hmm...didn't know the MSP's were different. If you happen to get a pic please post for everyone else.

[TheJohnny]

What bulb numbers are those in the guage assembly? If you were to say change all the bulbs to say, BLUE, would that change the entire cluster? Just wondering before I go and take mine apart, AGAIN.

[xelderx]

Someone else will have to answer that one...there was another thread about changing interior LED's and I think it had all the bulb info in it. Might try and search for that.

[TheJohnny]

OK, thanks.

[Gratefully Dead]

What bulb numbers are those in the guage assembly? If you were to say change all the bulbs to say, BLUE, would that change the entire cluster? Just wondering before I go and take mine apart, AGAIN.
You need 2 large #194 LEDs and 2 small #74 LEDs. I just ordered them from https://www.superbrightleds.com . Make sure you get the 6LED #194 bulbs and not the 4LED ones. The brighter the better.

[TheJohnny]

You need 2 large #194 LEDs and 2 small #74 LEDs. I just ordered them from https://www.superbrightleds.com (https://www.superbrightleds.com/) . Make sure you get the 6LED #194 bulbs and not the 4LED ones. The brighter the better.

So I'm presume that these bulbs will change the entire cluster then, right? Thank you for the website, I'll probably order mine tomorrow if they actually will change the entire cluster.

[ahb11m]

hehe justin!!

theres no temp/fuel gauge on those pics!!!

btw how have you ended up with so many??

for all those silly people i'm currently working on a solution to fix gauges.... i'll let you know how i go with it!!!

[xelderx]

hehe justin!!

theres no temp/fuel gauge on those pics!!!

btw how have you ended up with so many??

for all those silly people i'm currently working on a solution to fix gauges.... i'll let you know how i go with it!!!
I love junkyards...they are like candy stores to me.

[2k3 PrO RiDa]

will all 3 of the gauges from the es/p5 work on the dx?? i dont have a tach and i dont like the look of having a big ass tach sitting on top of my dash.

[xelderx]

will all 3 of the gauges from the es/p5 work on the dx?? i dont have a tach and i dont like the look of having a big ass tach sitting on top of my dash. I don't think that has been tried yet. I'm not sure if the wiring is still all there to just plug the stock tach in and have it working. I'm pretty sure that it would as it would be a real pain in the ass for Mazda to have 3-4 different wiring harnesses for the cars and the tach is run off the ECU which should be the same. You might have to be the guinea pig for it though. At the rate people break their guages around here though, if it doesn't work I bet you could sell the guage cluster for what you bought it for.

[hi-perf]

im pretty sure its plug and play, i believe someone did it.

[xelderx]

That would be my thoughts as well.

[SpicyMchaggis]

wait..did you pick up an extra set of MSP gauges..in your area? for like 75$? If so, I'm going to kick your ass.

[xelderx]

wait..did you pick up an extra set of MSP gauges..in your area? for like 75$? If so, I'm going to kick your ass.
Regular Protege sedan.guages from a '99. $50

[mazpro]

hey so changing the led's would change the color of the hole cluster, say i have green and i put blue bulbs, the hole thing changes?????

[xelderx]

hey so changing the led's would change the color of the hole cluster, say i have green and i put blue bulbs, the hole thing changes?????
There are two large LED's that control the color of the gauges and then smaller LED's for the idiot lights.

[derrick1623]

There are two large LED's that control the color of the gauges and then smaller LED's for the idiot lights.
actually, the two large #194's light up just the center of the gauge cluster, the other two (#74's) light up the tach, and temp gauge...then the idiot lights are each seperate leds if swapped.

[xelderx]

actually, the two large #194's light up just the center of the gauge cluster, the other two (#74's) light up the tach, and temp gauge...then the idiot lights are each seperate leds if swapped.
Yep...your right...I forgot about the other small LED's that are the same color as the 2 large ones. I should have double checked before I posted. Jeez I'm lazy.

[mazpro]

hey i canged the two large bulbs for blue ones, but the green only got brighter and didn't change color. maybe it doesn't work in my car. Help please???????

[gar777]

Xelderx:

THANKS SO MUCH for posting this, esp. with the pics!!!! I just replaced by temp/fuel cluster after breaking the gas needle a couple months ago. The How To was key!

[Green01LX]

hey i canged the two large bulbs for blue ones, but the green only got brighter and didn't change color. maybe it doesn't work in my car. Help please???????

I know this one hehe

How this works is:
The back of the gauge face itself (the black thing with the numbers on it that tell you how fast you are going, the temp, etc.) has a few different layers of "silkscreened" color, then a cross hatch design to disperse the light. What you need to do is:

Take off the actual gauge face. This will involve removing needles!!! Please try at your own risk. I suggest that you pick up another cluster or at least part of one before you attempt this on your own. Anyways, to get the face off, you "simply" remove needle, and then remove tiny screws on the face. Then with a medium grit sandpaper, sand off all coloring until you get down to the white. The sanding is obviously done on the BACK of the face. Do not sand off the numbers!

Then, reinstall in vehicle with different colored bulbs and TAH DAH! All good. I have done this mod on previous cars. I personally broke off my temp needle while installing my reverse indiglos in my protege. If anyone has a temp gauge that they will sell me fair price, PM ME. I know for a fact this works, as I have done it on multiple brands of vehicles. Though, I do not know if the protege needles are glued in or what cuz I pulled pretty hard before it snapped off and landed in my back window (I was sitting in drivers seat, gauges were in my lap). Best bet though is to use a fork. Slide fork underneath needle, and pry up. Take it easy though, cuz if you break the needle off, you will have a pretty bright light to stare at instead of a nice pretty orange needle.

If this confused you more than before I am sorry. Just PM me and I will help you out more on this.

[SpicyMchaggis]

Hey justin. I successfully put the MSP gauges in my car. Then successfully burnt the MSP board in the process..At least I can chalk it up to R&D and now i know that if you have a DX, you can never have the mileage match if you want a new gauge cluster..Unless you want to get real complicated and completely disassemble the board..Like I did all day today.

[xelderx]

Hey justin. I successfully put the MSP gauges in my car. Then successfully burnt the MSP board in the process..At least I can chalk it up to R&D and now i know that if you have a DX, you can never have the mileage match if you want a new gauge cluster..Unless you want to get real complicated and completely disassemble the board..Like I did all day today.
Damn, I'm sorry to hear that. I have an extra circuit board here if you want to play with it. It came out of a 99 model with the green odometer.

[mypfizzle]

spicy has been taken care of -=P

[Pheonix]

spicy, do you have picture of the back of the MSP gauge cluster circuit board.
someone mentioned it to be different than the one shown here

[derrick1623]

folks, i need more help. i used this how to, and tryed to replace a burnt circuit board...
original board:
http://www.msprotege.com/members/derrick1623/cluster/board.jpg
new board, perfectly fine...
http://www.msprotege.com/members/derrick1623/cluster/board3.jpg
back together, going in...
http://www.msprotege.com/members/derrick1623/cluster/cluster.jpg
and, the results, as soon as i turned my lights on...
http://www.msprotege.com/members/derrick1623/cluster/board2.jpg

[Pheonix]

what is burnt there, just a few traces maybe?

[derrick1623]

it is a squiggly line that goes between two contacts, you cannot see anything on the front of the circuit that it connects to, just on the back, it is fried in the same spot on both boards.

[VPower]

one question (confirmation):

can you actullay change the leds of the cluster?
example: P5 = red, want to make it blue...just change the leds?

[kirbs343]

Hey there, that explination of how to disassemble the gauges rocks man, i just need to know if there is a special way to take off the needles, as you had stated this showed how to do everything but take the needles off, if i pry them off and put them on my new gauges, will i potentially mess up my tuning of speeds on the road significantly, or am i making a big deal out of something simple?


any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks (bowdown)

[derrick1623]

kirbs, do NOT mess with the needles, they WILL break off in your hand!

[kirbs343]

so then, what to do when switching to indiglo gauges? it all seems simple save for the needles..tweezers? im open to any possibilities

[xelderx]

I've never tried to get just the needles off. I don't think it can be done, but I've said that before and been wrong. You might have to do a search for it.

[derrick1623]

i put gauge faces on, i had to cut tiny slits so i could feed over the needles.

[kirbs343]

thanks a bunch for the advice, i'll try the slits in the gauges for laying it over the needles, or i may get crazy, but ill let ya know by next sat when it should all be over (spin)

[ahb11m]

thanks a bunch for the advice, i'll try the slits in the gauges for laying it over the needles, or i may get crazy, but ill let ya know by next sat when it should all be over (spin)
that works tops and stuff

i slotted mine after i fucked am, and was lucky enought ot have xelderx send me some out... what a life saver... here in australia mazda buys back the wrecks off the wreckers... cunts.... which means when i want anythign for the car i have to mortgage my house, or buy it from the states.... by the way don't fuck your car up.... its annoying

[TStar]

ey ey put all the pics+infos together and packem as a PDF ...

[kirbs343]

Hey all,


Just letting you know that i got the gauges today and installed them within an hour, the how to, as well as everyones advice/help was greatly appreciated--and as a side note, i tried getting the needles off with 2 spakle knives, and managed to get all but one of them off, so i just made a small slit on the temp gauge to slide the faceplate over it!!


Unfortunately i dont have a digital camera yet, but ill see what i can do for showin' a pic a.s.a.p!

[mazpro]

nice and welcome to the board :)

[Shane5425]

question, ... how do the needles come off? do u just pry up and pull??

[xelderx]

I only think 1 person has ever successfully gotten the needles off without breaking anything.

[Shane5425]

i got my tach and speedo with out breakin them, but i broke my gas and temp

edit: i used one butterknife on the gas and temp so it broke, i used 2 on the speedo and tach... so they cam out ok..

[mygreenmazda]

So for the entire cluster disassembly you dont have to remove the needles, correct?

I have to get the computer system changed because I have to sell the car and I just got a new cluster since I broke two on the needles on the old one and now I have the problem that the car has 24,000 instead of my 111,000 original miles.

[xelderx]

So for the entire cluster disassembly you dont have to remove the needles, correct?

I have to get the computer system changed because I have to sell the car and I just got a new cluster since I broke two on the needles on the old one and now I have the problem that the car has 24,000 instead of my 111,000 original miles.
Right. The only thing that the needles prevent you from taking completely apart are the actual gauge faces with the #'s on them. Those will remain as one peice with the needles on one side and the servo on the other. The circuit board can still be taken completely off and swapped into your new cluster to keep the correct odometer readings.

[mygreenmazda]

Right. The only thing that the needles prevent you from taking completely apart are the actual gauge faces with the #'s on them. Those will remain as one peice with the needles on one side and the servo on the other. The circuit board can still be taken completely off and swapped into your new cluster to keep the correct odometer readings.


Thanks sooo much, just finished and it works.




Thanks to the guy who did the write up.

[RODSCALIP5]

Anyone know where is the best place online to find salvage yards or used Protege Gauge Clusters? I broke my fuel gauge and need a replacement :(

[SpicyMchaggis]

I got you covered. I have an extra P5 cluster sitting on my workbench. The temp gauge is busted, but the fuel needle still works. Interested?

[xelderx]

www.car-part.com will have listings nationwide for salvage yards and it is seachable for specific parts.

[gar777]

www.car-part.com (http://www.car-part.com/) will have listings nationwide for salvage yards and it is seachable for specific parts.I second that! I bought 2 gauges and 12 wheels through salvage yards I found on that site. Their search engine is great, although their site doesn't always work--just keep trying back later until it does. On the gauges, be careful to get the right on (check the VIN with your local dealer to be sure). The auto/5sp and remote keyless or not seemed to be different and may not be interchangeable. also, the background white color changed in 02.5+ on P5s/ES models. good luck!

[t3ase]

Just FYI: Gauges *will* go on without removal of needles.

[NDG4LIFE]

I know Im reviving a really old thread, but, I just bought a salvaged Protege LX 2002, and The first mod I went to do is put in indiglow guages, I got everyone on fine ecept the temp guage. busted it off, I got a salvage yard to sell me a MSP guage set with white face's.

Will the whole cluster just switch with my old one or will I have to disasemble the whole thing and switch the guages individually?

[NDG4LIFE]

bump

[NDG4LIFE]

bump, need help

[NDG4LIFE]

bump for a simple yes or no

has anybody switched your guage cluster Lx to MSP or any other similer switch??????????????

[Gbourdon]

SpicyMcHaggis has done a DX - MSP swap. Don't know how though. Patience young grasshopper. Some times it may take a bit for a response for such a specific question.

[xelderx]

You will need to disassemble them most of the way anyway to get your odometer into the new gauges if that was the route you wanted to take.

[vindication]

you can just swap the whole assembly if you want to keep the MSP guages

[NDG4LIFE]

From the Pics it looks like the Odometer doesnt come out at all.

So I would have to import the guage face (with needle attached) to the old cluster (with my actual odometer) inorder to get the milage corect.

If I just swap the whole cluster it will register the milage on the car where the cluster came from?

(If tru, that is stupid, used dealerships can then take a car with plenty of miles, and switch the cluster with a low milage wreak, and BOOM a new low mileage car)

Do I have this all right so far????

[ahb11m]

yeah, reason why over here they take your odomoeter readings at every registration renewal, and at change overs with the RTA (DMV for you guys)

its only illegal to alter a cars mileage

[xelderx]

From the Pics it looks like the Odometer doesnt come out at all.

So I would have to import the guage face (with needle attached) to the old cluster (with my actual odometer) inorder to get the milage corect.

If I just swap the whole cluster it will register the milage on the car where the cluster came from?

(If tru, that is stupid, used dealerships can then take a car with plenty of miles, and switch the cluster with a low milage wreak, and BOOM a new low mileage car)

Do I have this all right so far????

The odometer is permanently attached to the circuit board which is what you want to keep. Everything else can be swapped onto your board/odometer.

[glyph]

I am changing the bulbs in my gauge cluster too. I was able to get the speedometer and tach needles off fine. I undid the screws first, then pulled the servo off the back, instead of pulling the needles off the front. However, the small gauges appear to be a lot more fragile, and I broke the fuel gauge. I ordered a replacement cluster on car-part.com. I didn't have to take off the temp gauge to do my mod...

Since mine is a 99, mine are all green. I was able to sand off all of the green backing around the numbers to leave them white in preparation for the new blue led's I am putting in.

You could then potentially leave all the white bulbs in and paint the numbers, leaving the option to you to completely customize your color scheme. I did some tests on a two-tone scheme, and changed my mind; however, some normal Testes paint from any store that sells plastic models will work just fine. Be sure to buy some thinner too in case you don't like what you see.

NOTE: Use 400 grit or higher for the sanding. You can use a fine-point set of pliers to pop out the needle posts. You can see it in the tool pic below.

These are all 600x450

Pics with the gauges already sanded:
Broken Gauge (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG0991.JPG)- you can see its the pin that broke, not the needle itself. I am now using that needle for experimentation to see if I can get a different needle color, too.
Speedometer - Back (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG0979.JPG) Front (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG0981.JPG) Against the light: Back (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG0997.JPG)
Tachometer - Back (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG0985.JPG) front (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG0988.JPG)
My Custom Fine Point Sanding "Tool (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG0995.JPG)
Fuel and Temp - Back (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG1002.JPG) Front (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG0999.JPG)
My Two-Tone test (http://www.jonathan.allain.com/gauges/CIMG1006.JPG)- keep in mind this was after the first pass with the brush, so the blue looks a little inconsistent.

[glyph]

Sorry, fixing that post. I downloaded a new extension in firefox that screwed that up.

[zoomzoom3021]

Well i'm new to the forums and like yall i got my gauges on, the tach and speedo, but I busted the temp needle. So when I get my new cluster where do I make the slits on the gauges to make them fit over the needles?

[glyph]

Welcome!

anywhere that you think will hide it best, really. Don't cut a section out, just do a nice sharp slice (use a fresh x-acto blade for best cut) that will leave the smallest visible slit. Keep in mind that there are two gauges in a row, so probably in line with the two of them straight down.

Though I haven't had to do that, so I can't say for certain.

[zoomzoom3021]

Thats what I was thinking...plus i just though of doing like what the how to said and go all the way and take the gauges clean off to see if that dosent give me any play with the needles...

Thanks for the info though.

[glyph]

oh, and be sure to avoid any icons, like check engine and such.

[zoomzoom3021]

KO thanks for the advice...

[zoomzoom3021]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/zoomzoom3021/GaugesDay.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/zoomzoom3021/GaugesNight.jpg
well here is how they came out im pumped...

[glyph]

nice job. Are the trips red by default in the later years?

[zoomzoom3021]

nice job. Are the trips red by default in the later years?
Yep mines an 03 last year they made it and they are red, but what can ya do...

[glyph]

since mine was green, I was able to overwhelm it with the blue lighting and it looks blue.

[Rac3rX]

Alright!

The first thing I got to say is MEGGA thanks to the writer of this here "how to". I originally had black guages with green number (standard 02 LX cluster) When installingWhite facce guages I snapped the temp needle :( its pretty damn vital so I needed to get a new clusterto fix this. I bought a cluster off ebay for 100$ shipped (I beleve it came out of a 03 P5). It had what I thought were white faces with green text, but lucky for me it is actually Silver faces with Orange numbers :) (Ive used Silver as the highlight color in my interier)

Ill snap some pics in a bit for you (day time pics will have to wait untill tomorow.

I thought that because I used this how to in order to swap the new guages into my original cluster that my ODO would be green. When they showed up and were orange I assumed that I would have orange numbers with a green ODO,

However

After swaping over the guages and orange LED's, when it lit up the ODO has an orange hue to it with black numbers (As aposed Green, or I beleve orange numbers as the ODO in the cluster the guages came out of is, Im not sure, I beleve that it like that)

[glyph]

Orange does sound pretty cool.

[Rac3rX]

Checkem out....

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4626/dsc004812go8.jpg

As you can see the ODO has an orange hue with no green tint at all, they look pretty sick, and they look tight in the day also, Ill post pics tomorow.

[Rac3rX]

Here are the daytime pics

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4350/dsc00482222mq0.jpg

Very Nice......

[Azaizai]

Sry to necro this topic...but did anyone ever post a how-to or whatever for a DX to ES swap?
I bought a ES cluster (with tach, without keyless) and its not recieving a signal. I saw a couple replies that said something along those lines, but no remedies

[glyph]

I don't recall ever seeing a solution to this.

[Keno1542]

doesn't the calibration of the speedo and tach get messed up if you take off the needles? i thought i read this somewhere. might be wrong though.

[Rac3rX]

The calibration of the ODO is in connection to the circuit board for the gage cluster.

The ODO doesnt get removed from the circuit board, and it retains the mileage of the car.

In order to keep the ODO legit, you remove the guages you want out of your second cluster and imput them into your original cluster with the original ODO, so ecentally you got New guage faces & the same old ODO.

NEVER take off the needles, unless your looking for trouble. Remove the guage unit as a whole (Speedo, tack, temp & gas guage) they come out EXTREAMLY easy.

[glyph]

I took off the speedo, and no problem. I left the clear plastic cover on, and with my GPS I calibrated it (read: I took it off and put it back on at the correct speed. You'll find that it has different accuracy over different parts of the speed range.

[LEXUSLEO]

I wish that I had seen this before. I had to replace my cluster because I fried one of the door relays when hooking up some side dash lights. I have added about 8 leds for diff. things.

They are as follows from left to right:

red led for fog lights on/off
blue led for dome light on/off
green led for a/c on/off
red led for alarm
yellow led for rpm shift light
blue led for sunroof open/close
green led for hood open/close
red led for trunk open/close

I also added the Dave B Rings, painted the center line on the needle caps, added auto meter sticker, added japanese/chinese masda stickers and flying M mazda sticker.

Here it is installed in the car.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95588&stc=1&d=1164683019


The 2 swithces are for brake lights (red) and reverse lights (blue) on/off

[glyph]

looks clean

[NOTSPCY]

BUMP for great write up . anyone else try this and get it done. i am not good at this stuff so i am kinda nervous. i just aquired a MSP gauge set up and it has 70XXX miles on it but my es only has 40*** if that.

[glyph]

I replaced all my lighting with blue LEDs. I was planning on changing the icons and stuff, but my ghetto version plans didn't work out, too much light bled through, and it would have been too much work to create an entire new shield.

[wrkngmanByTor]

I replaced all my lighting with blue LEDs. I was planning on changing the icons and stuff, but my ghetto version plans didn't work out, too much light bled through, and it would have been too much work to create an entire new shield.

I'm thinking of changing up the buttfugly orange color scheme in my P5, I'd like to see some different set-ups, maybe with white/blue/+or red. thanks for any input.

[NOTSPCY]

has anyone used the gauge faces from a Msp and moved the needles and faces to a es board ?

[NOTSPCY]

OK let me just start by saying how much this thread helped me . I have had my indiglo gauges in my car for like 2 yrs and havent had temp or gas . Only way i would know if my gas was low was wait for the light to come on . (flame2) So i got lucky and bought the Msp gauges from Twisted Msp whos motor blew this past week and i try out this how to . bc i didnt want to lose my mileage . his was 75k and mine was almost 40k so if i drove into the dealer they would be like your warranty is up sorry . so here are the pix that i took . I did one set of gauges while my g/f did the other set . TEAM WORK , Let me just say i was so nervous about doing this and having something else go wrong but everything went great . swap the faces on to my cluster and ecu and now i have Everything Gas , Temp , Tach ,with the Mazdaspeed logo . Hot shit sorry but here are all the pix i took . that came out .

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01293.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01295.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01298.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01299.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01300.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01305.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01315.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01316.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01305.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01320.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/wickedone1982/DSC01324.jpg


Sorry if i mixed up the order a little bit but you get the picture. Such a easy mod .. Great write up / How to !

[jeg0024]

Glad to see everything worked out man! I may have to do this sometime.

[xelderx]

I'm glad everyone is finding this helpful. I never posted my gauges up, but I switched all my Pro5 faces over to the black faces out of the 99-00 sedans. It looks pretty sweet as I was never a big fan of the off-white stock faces.

[boostdprotegelx]

OK let me just start by saying how much this thread helped me . I have had my indiglo gauges in my car for like 2 yrs and havent had temp or gas . Only way i would know if my gas was low was wait for the light to come on . (flame2) So i got lucky and bought the Msp gauges from Twisted Msp whos motor blew this past week and i try out this how to . bc i didnt want to lose my mileage . his was 75k and mine was almost 40k so if i drove into the dealer they would be like your warranty is up sorry . so here are the pix that i took . I did one set of gauges while my g/f did the other set . TEAM WORK , Let me just say i was so nervous about doing this and having something else go wrong but everything went great . swap the faces on to my cluster and ecu and now i have Everything Gas , Temp , Tach ,with the Mazdaspeed logo . Hot shit sorry but here are all the pix i took . that came out .


Sorry if i mixed up the order a little bit but you get the picture. Such a easy mod .. Great write up / How to !
woot, go you. looks good. good job getting the woman involved.(yupnope)

[glyph]

i never liked the reverse stuff either. Much prefer black.

[spirosp5]

so, it looks like needle removal is lethal... I am anxiously awaiting a MSP cluster to swap into my P5 only because I wanted the silver needle look as well as the Mazdaspeed on the tach... mine being an automatic with the indicator on the dash, i can't swap out without needle removal. Is there any secret to getting those needles off safely? Also, when I put them back on, is there anything that needs to be done to make sure they work properly? Thx...

[glyph]

i tried a few methods myself, and nothing worked. The metal rods have a section that is very thin and weak, and any force applied to them breaks them. If you want to paint them, just mask everything else around them and use a very fine brush.

[stevew145]

hate to dig up an old thread, but i was wondering if anyone could tell me if i could do this with my dx cluster to get a tach. I noticed in the pictures, there are 2 circles one the pcb where the temp/fuel gauge connect. On my cluster there is only one gauge (fuel) I'm wondering if underneath it has 2 circles, or just one. Anyone ever try this with a dx?

[boostdprotegelx]

hate to dig up an old thread, but i was wondering if anyone could tell me if i could do this with my dx cluster to get a tach. I noticed in the pictures, there are 2 circles one the pcb where the temp/fuel gauge connect. On my cluster there is only one gauge (fuel) I'm wondering if underneath it has 2 circles, or just one. Anyone ever try this with a dx?

you should be able to take a non dx cluster-lx es msp p5 and just swap it and have the cluster work

[Alamo1]

sub...

[mx-p5]

anyone know what the P/N's are for the bulbs in the cluster??

[stevew145]

you should be able to take a non dx cluster-lx es msp p5 and just swap it and have the cluster work

I'm not so sure. On my cluster, the engine temp is where the tach would go, so if i took it apart, and put the tach in that spot, wouldn't it just do what the engine temp gauge does, or nothing at all or maybe something crazy?

[stevew145]

anyone know what the P/N's are for the bulbs in the cluster??
Its on page 2 of this thread.

[mx-p5]

actually, the two large #194's light up just the center of the gauge cluster, the other two (#74's) light up the tach, and temp gauge...then the idiot lights are each seperate leds if swapped.

when i had my cluster apart yesterday, i don't think my 2 smaller lights are LED's, as i can see a filliment inside them.

But, PN's are 194's and 74's? I'll hit up ebay for some cheap=o's as well as a setup another member is offering to me at the moment

[boostdprotegelx]

I'm not so sure. On my cluster, the engine temp is where the tach would go, so if i took it apart, and put the tach in that spot, wouldn't it just do what the engine temp gauge does, or nothing at all or maybe something crazy?

dont take anything apart.just swap the clusters.itll work.the engine/interior harnesses are the same the clusters however are wired differently to work with the common harnesses

[Protege03ak46]

can someone help me out. i wana swap the lights in my cluster to an orange. can anyone help? im so lost.

[boostdprotegelx]

what do you need to know bro??

take the cluster out, twist the light sockets out. pull the bulbs.

[Protege03ak46]

i wana know what size LED's, voltage, ect. i really dnt wana fry the board.

[boostdprotegelx]

i wana know what size LED's, voltage, ect. i really dnt wana fry the board.

http://www.autolumination.com/
http://www.oznium.com/

look for replacement 194 bulbs, and replacement 74 bulbs.

either of those sites are great.

[Protege03ak46]

thanks! appreciate it