N20 on MSP?!??

[Notorious_V.I.C]

I was wondering has anyone used nitrous on their msp?

IF not, does anyone know if it is possible to run it on a stock msp?
(do u have to do any mods to the car or can u run it stock)

If yes what happened to ur or the car?

Did u have to do any other modifications to the car when running nitrous?

I read something in one thread about changing ur ECU. So i'm guess it would be smart to change ur ecu if u run nos. so if anything happens the dealer won't know right away if u used nos...

Sorry if i am being redondent..(spelling?... the meaning) i think thats what it means (attn)

[mp5jeff]

buy a wideband and stand alone, and tune it for nitrous(not "nos" n.o.s. is a company that makes nitrous) if thats what you want.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

sorry i need to read more on nitrous.....what is a wideband and stand alone......:(

[seatbackfurther]

honestly, if you don't know enough about it, I wouldn't run nitrous.

[mp5jeff]

if you don't know what a wideband or stand alone is, don't get nitrous...

[seatbackfurther]

i dont want to be a prick here, but there are plenty of threads about stand alones and widebands. The short and sweet of it is easy, but of course i'll ramble on. A stand alone is a way to manage your fuel and timing through a 'computer' that bypasses your ecu. A wideband is a way to monitor the oxygen levels in both amplitude and direction which is different from a normal oxygen sensor that only procduces a voltage signal. Again, there are more threads that can teach you more, but if you have more questions post them. Learn before you mod. Something as simple as reading can save you thousands.

[igdrasil]

Hey, you need to upgrade a lot more other things to make your car faster before using nitrous or raising the boost...

[BoOsTiN]

buy a wideband and stand alone, and tune it for nitrous(not "nos" n.o.s. is a company that makes nitrous) if thats what you want.



dont you think thats a "bit" overkill ?

[mp5jeff]

dont you think thats a "bit" overkill ?no, that is the "correct" way to put nitrous on a car, maybe your friends just slap on a bottle and run a 75 shot, but thats the dumbest thing you can do and your motor won't last for shit(if it even survives 1 shot). especially when putting nitrous on a TURBO car, it makes it more risky and needs to be tuned correctly!!!

[Notorious_V.I.C]

thanks for the info guys i was just wonderin anyways......i wasn't going to put nitrous on my car anyways just wonderin what i would have to do if i ever would do that.....thanks again for ur replys

[BoOsTiN]

While I agree w/ nos on a turbo car being more more risky, I don't quite agree with the rest.
Yeah I did just slap on a bottle. I went through a bottle a week for about a year. very few of my friends had problems either. But of course we always made sure we had adequate fuel pressure,timing,plugs ect. Only a couple actually had a standalone & only a wideband if dyno'd.
Maybe your friends should do a little more research if they are blowing their motors after 1 shot?

[mp5jeff]

my friends don't use nitrous but maybe i shouldn't have said STANDALONE, and just said fuel/timing-aka a piggyback(that was my bad)!! what were your a/f ratios when you sprayed, what shot were you running?

[mp5jeff]

oh ya, just out of curiosity, what car/motor did you have nitrous on? =)

[funnylittlman]

You could put a N20 Fogger system for the Intercooler, but not direct port. That would be WAY too dangerous on stock internals and our great timing.

Vroooooooo pshhhhhhh BOOM *pistons flying everywhere*

Be careful! (nervous)

[Tommy1005]

I think nitrous on our cars is a decent mod if you keep it safe. I am thinking for running a 35 or 50 shot myself. Sure, if you go crazy you will blow your motor, but with the overly rich condition of our motors, my thinking is the nitrous will lean it out just enough when the turbo kicks in which is where the computer starts dumpin fuel. It will also decrese spool time, which with this little turbo isn't a problem, but could become one later on. Just my .02 on the subject.

[SP33D]

dont you think thats a "bit" overkill ?underkill = blown motor.

[torque222]

if your msp is stock then here are some simple mods. cold air intake, bigger throttle bodies, bigger wastegate, bigger intercooler, greddy type s bov, hardpipes, boost control.. turn your boost up to 15 psi and have fun. at 15 psi the mazdaspeed is one sick ride....you'll be waxin ass and hanging with the big dogs ...so on that note who needs n2o? (dunno)

[LAZERBLU2003.5]

You can do all of that on stock internals and no tblow your motor?????
if your msp is stock then here are some simple mods. cold air intake, bigger throttle bodies, bigger wastegate, bigger intercooler, greddy type s bov, hardpipes, boost control.. turn your boost up to 15 psi and have fun. at 15 psi the mazdaspeed is one sick ride....you'll be waxin ass and hanging with the big dogs ...so on that note who needs n2o? (dunno)

[noclue119]

You can do all of that on stock internals and no tblow your motor?????ya if u do it right.... ask discreet...

[Notorious]

i would tune the motor first, i think tuning the turbo would be cheaper and more effective.

[LinuxRacr]

i would tune the motor first, i think tuning the turbo would be cheaper and more effective.^^^ (mswerd)

[deckedoutmp5]

i am adding a 25-30 shot via nozzle with my hiboost turbo. i wont do it until i forge my shit but its ok with standalone.. i love my haltech.

[KyRaceFan]

A 35 or 50 shot fogger, which adds fuel from a feed off the rail, in paralell with the nitrous is fairly safe. Of course you need the proper plugs, and etc, but youre not going to blow the motor running a setup like this.

Or you can take the other advice, and run 15psi on the stock turbo. At that point you probably want to do some fuel upgrades like, fuel rail, FPR, or extra injectors.

[Tommy1005]

I think I'm going to be the first brave soul to try nitrous. I am going to order Essential Speed's Stage 4 fuel upgrade kit, CAI (CAI just because I need to get rid of the stock airbox, it's driving me insane), downpipe, and possibly larger injectors, but I'm not certain yet. I will be spraying the 35 shot on the dyno to see how the car reacts, then I will change to the 50 shot. If all goes well with the 50 I will leave it on there, but if it starts to lean out I will back down to the 35 shot and see if I can add more boost to it. If not, then it will stay stock boost for obvious reasons. Oh yeah, the nitrous kit will be a Nitrous Express wet kit, I think a fogger set up is a little overkill for the small shot I will be spraying. If the 50 looks good with all the air-fuels and what not, I may get really brave and try the 75, but probably not. I'll let you all know how this goes. It will be a project in the making.

[KyRaceFan]

Well if youre the 1st, i may very well be the 2nd to put nitrous on an MSP.
I do like the NX wet kit, and the ability to add the right fuel jet for the proper a/f. I think youd be fine running the 50, with 10psi of boost, and a large fuel jet. It might be wise to upgrade to an OBX or other fuel rail, and get a rising rate FPR.

Just add as much fuel as you can, and run 2 step colder plugs, and it would be fine.

Also, check my thread in the MSP engine section. :)

[Tommy1005]

the rising rate FPR comes in Essential Speed's fuel upgrades, I know they use it to support 15psi on a stock motor, so I'm thinking that's all I will need for the fuel upgrades, along with the larger fuel jets. I will check your thread over there now.