Is anyone in here Spraying?

[DragonEye]

If so how much and what kind of mods do you have done to your internals? and what kind of fuel do you run on when you spray

Im thinking about it for my GTI and using a 50 shot so that i can run my 12's and still have a Daily Driver on a stock turbo....

[Turbo Matty P]

you want to run a 50hp shot on a stock block 1.8 turbo VW? And you think you'll hit 12's??

you might want to try the VW boards man....sounds like you're asking for trouble.

[DragonEye]

you want to run a 50hp shot on a stock block 1.8 turbo VW? And you think you'll hit 12's??

you might want to try the VW boards man....sounds like you're asking for trouble.
yea and i am not asking for trouble, i know people that do it now, my engine can handel up to about 425 HP on stock internals. and once i get an LSD tranny, chip, N2o, and some drag radials i will be in the mid to high 12's with a stock turbo


but i was wondering if any of you had anything done to your engines when spraying

[Turbo Matty P]

on my previous N20 motor all I had done was a larger volume fuel pump (walboro 255lph), a CAI, better exhaust.

Good luck dude. I've seen a Golf here run 7.20's in the 8th....That's about an 11s quarter.

[DragonEye]

on my previous N20 motor all I had done was a larger volume fuel pump (walboro 255lph), a CAI, better exhaust.

Good luck dude. I've seen a Golf here run 7.20's in the 8th....That's about an 11s quarter.
you know what year or what version was it? i think i know what you are talking about mine is an MK4 but i think that one was an MK2....

and thanks...i forgot about the larger fule pump, exhaust, and cooler spark pulgs

[Turbo Matty P]

the golf was brand new.

[Dexter]

steve, 12s from a 50 shot? Are we talking about stock PSI here too? Eh...

anyways, not many people here run n2o...and those who do, i dont think they will last long. our engines dont like nitrous i dont think

[DragonEye]

the golf was brand new.
ok a MK4 awesome, i have to do a bit of research now, thanks:)

[DragonEye]

steve, 12s from a 50 shot? Are we talking about stock PSI here too? Eh...

anyways, not many people here run n2o...and those who do, i dont think they will last long. our engines dont like nitrous i dont think
well with a chip i will be running about 20 or so PSI and either a 50 or a 75 shot i should be getting about 12's

http://www.sportcompactracing.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=17481&highlight=nos

[Dexter]

oh yeah, right, forgot that chip = more PSI. gotta remember, the protege camp here dont have shit for ECU chipping, and plus we dont have ECU controlled valves and shit.

tightness.

[DragonEye]

oh yeah, right, forgot that chip = more PSI. gotta remember, the protege camp here dont have shit for ECU chipping, and plus we dont have ECU controlled valves and shit.

tightness.
and you don't have strong internals;) lol j/k

but you can take me on the twisties till i get all my suspension work done lol

[Red Devil P5]

just for your information a mk4 gti 1.8 turbo wont be able to handle a 50 shot or any shot at that on stock internals. my friend and i both had 1.8s and he decided to try it and lost it all. hes a die hard track racer and has been a car guy for about 20 years. the 1.8 is to smart of a car. you cant do anything to that car with out it fucking up in some way. it was designed to be perfect when it is stock.

[alexlitov]

Why wouldn't you got to a VW board and ask VW owners this??? You know Mazda and VW have different engines....

[DragonEye]

Why wouldn't you got to a VW board and ask VW owners this??? You know Mazda and VW have different engines....
i know that i was just wondering if anyone was spraying.


just for your information a mk4 gti 1.8 turbo wont be able to handle a 50 shot or any shot at that on stock internals. my friend and i both had 1.8s and he decided to try it and lost it all. hes a die hard track racer and has been a car guy for about 20 years. the 1.8 is to smart of a car. you cant do anything to that car with out it fucking up in some way. it was designed to be perfect when it is stock.
it can take a 50 shot as long as you take other precautions and it has to be taken wet, not dry....check out the vortex boards, there are about 4-5 people on there getting low 14 mile times from spraying...

www.vwvortex.com (http://www.vwvortex.com)

[mp5jeff]

if they are only getting 14s on spray how are you getting 12's? i didn't think a chip would drop 2 seconds on the 1/4 mile but i don't know much about gti's either.

[DragonEye]

if they are only getting 14s on spray how are you getting 12's? i didn't think a chip would drop 2 seconds on the 1/4 mile but i don't know much about gti's either.
with out spraying, and using a chip, i should be in the mid 14's then once i add LSD i should be in the low 14's high 13's....then once i start spraying i should be in the high 12's (of corse add in the bigger injectors and so on and stuff)

[N2OInferno]

It takes quite a bit of power to run 12s. But hell I ran a huge shot of nitrous on the Mustang. I don't think a 50 shot can take off an entire second though. Maybe a 100 shot.

[DragonEye]

well with LSD, chip, Exhaust, DV, NJ75, larger injectors, slicks, gutted interior (as in taking out rear seats and spare) 104 or 110 octane....that stuff right there will get me mid 13's plus spraying will help spooling (doesn't need alot) but if i am spraying on throtle and starting to spray when i hit mid second gear then they should take a huge chunk off my time..

[Turbo Matty P]

Don't expect a LSD to do anything for your times. Even with a lot more boost I don't see it being needed.

[DragonEye]

right now if i try to get going fast, i can spin my tires through till mid 2nd gear. with LSD that will decrease my launch time lots allowing me to get going faster and higher trap speed

[Replica]

Chipped 1.8T's with other basic mods run mid 14's. I really don't think you'll see 12's but good luck :) Post a video of your car kickin some ass if you do.

[DragonEye]

Chipped 1.8T's with other basic mods run mid 14's. I really don't think you'll see 12's but good luck :) Post a video of your car kickin some ass if you do.
honestly i want to set up a car for auto x more so i am thinking about selling it and geting a civic eg hatch or 240SX and motor swaps...

but if i keep my car, then i will most likely get the turbo swap done and be running 12's anyways, just change the PSI settings when i take it auto crossing

[Replica]

honestly i want to set up a car for auto x more so i am thinking about selling it and geting a civic eg hatch or 240SX and motor swaps...

but if i keep my car, then i will most likely get the turbo swap done and be running 12's anyways, just change the PSI settings when i take it auto crossingA CRX might be a better choice than an EG hatch because the CRX has a wider wheel base and they're alot cheaper.

How do those VW trannys take that much power? I hear even the 1.8T guys that are chipped need the VR6 clutch or some odd combination so they don't burn the clutch.

[Turbo Matty P]

right now if i try to get going fast, i can spin my tires through till mid 2nd gear. with LSD that will decrease my launch time lots allowing me to get going faster and higher trap speed
don't count on it dude....seriously. I've owned several LSD equipped cars. Also, just look at the differences between the 03 SRT4 and the 04 SRT4 w/ LSD AND more power. It's only like .2s and the 04 makes more power and torque. Also, the Neon is running 13's stock and I know it had traction problems.

LSD is great in a FWD car for delivering power through a turn. It keeps the inside wheel from sucking up all the power.

I know you can easily run 12's on those 1.8 turbo motors, but I wouldn't expect the lsd to be a big part in getting those numbers. Plan on running a ton more boost and do some serious weight redux. The golf here that runs 11's is gutted and only has a CAI and a boost controller. (that he's told us)

[Replica]

The golf here that runs 11's is gutted and only has a CAI and a boost controller. (that he's told us)Lies make baby Jesus cry. (evil)

[Turbo Matty P]

yeah, but in his defense his car was COMPLETELY gutted. nothing but an aluminum race seat and a huge tach. When you pop the hood all you can see is a blue CAI and his MBC. Also, I know he was running the stock exhaust because there was no noise at all. He ran drag radials in the front and baby spares on the rear. He never launched hard. he only rolled out of first and then walked everyone down. VERY IMPRESSIVE

[DragonEye]

yeah, but in his defense his car was COMPLETELY gutted. nothing but an aluminum race seat and a huge tach. When you pop the hood all you can see is a blue CAI and his MBC. Also, I know he was running the stock exhaust because there was no noise at all. He ran drag radials in the front and baby spares on the rear. He never launched hard. he only rolled out of first and then walked everyone down. VERY IMPRESSIVE
even with a gutted car to that extent and everything, that car would maybe break into the 13's with the MBC. if he was spraying, thats possible, otherwise it isn't just stock. my freind with LSD, chip, lightened fly wheel, upgraded clutch plate, no back seats, no spare, he was running 14.1 and thats really good for his set-up (he should be running into the 13's with that setup in the summer when he learns to drive the new setup better)

[DragonEye]

A CRX might be a better choice than an EG hatch because the CRX has a wider wheel base and they're alot cheaper.

How do those VW trannys take that much power? I hear even the 1.8T guys that are chipped need the VR6 clutch or some odd combination so they don't burn the clutch.
CRX's arround here are almost all rusted out. and i EG hatches, i can still find them arround here for less than 100K on the frame. plus you can fit a wider selection of motors into the EG

about the chippingand stuff, you shouldn't have to replace the clutch just because of a chip, if so then it means you don't know how to drive right and you feather the clutch too much....

honestly the VR-6 clutch is just a small upgrade from the 1.8T clutch and i would rather just jump to aftermarket if i were to replace it.

with a chip you need to replace the DV otherwise it will leak

[Turbo Matty P]

The Golf I saw racing was not using nitrous. If I remember correctly he was running 24+psi. I'm sure he had supporting fuel/ecu mods to accomodate this, but no more. Stock exhaust, stock wheels (except for baby spares in the rear.)

That dude was hhauling ass. It made me think twice about VW after seeing him walk down a TT 'vette.

[DragonEye]

ok, then he had to have a non stock turbo because the K03 on my car (stock) cant spike over 22PSI with out getting ruined and if it is holding then it would hold at about 16-18... so i think he had a turbo upgrade in there because there is no way he could boost to or hold at 24PSI, and he would need larger injectors, insane fule map (all stand alone)

[Turbo Matty P]

hmm, I saw no stand-alone. Everything under the hood appeared stock except for the intake.

hese guys work at a local speed shop in B'ham. I'll see if I can track them down.

[Replica]

CRX's arround here are almost all rusted out. and i EG hatches, i can still find them arround here for less than 100K on the frame. plus you can fit a wider selection of motors into the EG

about the chippingand stuff, you shouldn't have to replace the clutch just because of a chip, if so then it means you don't know how to drive right and you feather the clutch too much....

honestly the VR-6 clutch is just a small upgrade from the 1.8T clutch and i would rather just jump to aftermarket if i were to replace it.

with a chip you need to replace the DV otherwise it will leakThe 5th gen (EG) swaps use Hydro trannys and make swaps ALOT more expensive. A compete cable B16A1 swap for an EF (crx/4th gen) is $1499 from hmotorsonline. I'm not sure what you mean by the crx can only have a limited amount of motors. There's even a CRX with an H22 creeping around houston....

[DragonEye]

hmm, I saw no stand-alone. Everything under the hood appeared stock except for the intake.

hese guys work at a local speed shop in B'ham. I'll see if I can track them down.
thanks im intrested...


and replica, im not making a drag car i want to do auto cross so i am looking for a B18C5 motor, still light, and hooks up with the LSD tranny, so i am looking at about 12K to get the whole car race worthy. im not to worried about money, but i don't want a car for drag only..(too borring) but don't get me wrong, still impressive