HOW TO - Turbo Oil Lines

[Brian MP5T]

Here is a "HOW TO" thread that I have been meaning to do for two years.

There are several options when considering your Turbo Bering Oil feed and return lines.

This will be considered as a "BEST CASE SENARIO" . I realise that not everyone has the desire to spend as much on things or is interested in the Best solution at all cost so bear in mind that my solution might be overpriced in your opinion.

First, The Turbo is fed by oil from the engine and that oil is abused and turned into a milky white puss by the turbo berings spinning at as much as 125,000 RPM. This oil/puss is retuned to the oil pan and filtered and sent through again either to the engine or the turbo.

Q1: Where Do I get the oil from?
A1: On the back of the block, there are two sensors; the one closest to the Oil Filter is the one that triggers your Low Oil Pressure Light on the Dash, That's a good start. Get the fitting that fits the 1/8" Hole to an AN-4 Hose Fitting.

Q2: Why does the Oil Return Line Have to be so much larger than the Inlet?
A2: The Oil coming out of the housing is thrashed by the Bering and moves slowly. It needs to be able to be pulled by gravity and Air must be able to move up the line at the same time so there is no backpressure to prevent the oil from returning to the oil pan. Overlooking this step could result in inadequate oil supply and Bering failure due to starvation.

Q3: Why did you decide to Retun the oil to the Crank Support rather than the oil pan?
A3: As stated earlier, The oil return line must have air at the base, so for best results, the line should be as high away from the oil in the pan as possibe. It is possible to tap this adaptor to the oil pan but, make it as high as possible. I do not recomend this. The MSP returns the oil to the Crank Support Plate, Not the pan for a reason.

Q4: What Happens to the Oil Pressure Sending Unit after It's removed for the Oil Line?
A4: It gets placed into Fitting FBM2818 and hooked up to the wire again unless you have an Autometer Oil Pressure Gauge in Mind, then leave the stock sensor in the garbage and disconnect the line (The light will not come on if the pressure drops so keep an eye on the gauge)

Q5: Are You Obsessive Compulsive Brian?
A5: Yes, I'm the king of Overkill.

When you are building the Oil Supply Line. Make two Seperate Lines. A Short One With two straight Ends and a Long One with a 90 Deg and a Straight end. Join the two with the Tee Fitting that the oil sending unit fits into.


Here is what you need to do it like I did.

All Prices were from SUMMIT RACING...
Type the AER-******* Code in the Summit Part# Box to Find.
http://store.summitracing.com (http://store.summitracing.com/)


Oil Line Parts...
(1) $15.00 US -- 1X AER-FCM1031 Fitting, Hose End, 90 Degree, -4 AN, -4 AN Adapter, Steel, Natural/Red, Each
(1) $25.00 US -- 1x AER-FCA0406 Hose, Braided Stainless Steel, -4 AN, 6 Ft. Length, Each
(1) $16.95 US -- 1x AER-FBM2818 Fitting, Adapter, Female Pipe Flare Tee -4 AN, 1/8 in. NPT, -4 AN, Steel, Each
(3) $7.88 US -- 3x AER-FBM1011 Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -4 AN, -4 AN Adapter, Steel, Natural/Red, Each


Oil Return Parts...
(1) $19.00 US -- 1X AER-FCA1003 Hose, Braided Stainless Steel, -10 AN, 3 Ft. Length, Each (You Can Cut Shorter)
(2) $9.25 US -- 2X AER-FCM1014 Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -10 AN, -10 AN Adapter, Aluminum, Red/Blue, Each
(1) $15.95 US -- 1X AER-FCM2024 Fitting, Adapter, 45 Degree -10 AN Male to 1/2 in. NPT Male, Aluminum, Blue, Each
(1) $6.95 US -- 1X AER-FCM2009 Fitting, Adapter, Straight -10 AN Male to 1/2 in. NPT Male, Aluminum, Blue, Each

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%281%29.jpg http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%282%29.jpg http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%283%29.jpg http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%284%29.jpg http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%285%29.jpg http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%286%29.jpg http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%287%29.jpg

EDIT:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Engine%201.jpg

Update. Here is the finished Product...


http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%288%29.jpg

[Focus]

Excellent write up!!

[black_rob00]

Nice. How hard is it to take off the crank support plate??

[Brian MP5T]

Nice. How hard is it to take off the crank support plate??It requires a bit to get off. All the bolts are easy except the two 10mm bolts inside the tranny bell. That requires that the engine and tranny are seperated.

It was meant more for people who have the engine off for a rebuild, but it would stil be easy to do it on the car. Just take off the oil pan and be sure to clean the area after tapping the plate.

[tekkie]

good shit Brian this will come in handy :)

[WheelManATX]

Nice

[YP5 Toronto]

sweet goodness...great post..one of the best ever.

[Lil Freek]

It requires a bit to get off. All the bolts are easy except the two 10mm bolts inside the tranny bell. That requires that the engine and tranny are seperated.

It was meant more for people who have the engine off for a rebuild, but it would stil be easy to do it on the car. Just take off the oil pan and be sure to clean the area after tapping the plate.

so when you said you'll do it for my setup.. you neglected to mention that i'd have to join the army and stay on base, right?

(hippy)

[Brian MP5T]

so when you said you'll do it for my setup.. you neglected to mention that i'd have to join the army and stay on base, right?

(hippy)Dude, It won't take long, I'll do it when it's still attached to your car. I'll just take the Oil Pan off and thread it after I make a large hole in the crank support. No Biggie!

(cool)

[Lil Freek]

suuure.. this is all some crazy conspiracy to get Paul to join the army, isn't it?

Tasha put you up to this, eh? (eyeballs)


That works, though... If we can do it while everything still together, I'd rather not drill into my oilpan and have to plug that once I move up to the plate :)

[Brian MP5T]

Bump for the SUNDAY CROWD

[accuser]

mmmm.... oil...

[Brian MP5T]

^^^ Royal Purple 10W30

[duMb KeoLa]

great how to!!!

any chance of some pics with it installed?? and how hard was it to set up your own sb lines? i noticed on your "oil return line" list you have "cut to size" on there, ive tried this once and it was a big mistake... do you have any pics or ideas on how to make it easier and how to actually do it right???

thanks for all the help!!

[Brian MP5T]

great how to!!!

any chance of some pics with it installed?? and how hard was it to set up your own sb lines? i noticed on your "oil return line" list you have "cut to size" on there, ive tried this once and it was a big mistake... do you have any pics or ideas on how to make it easier and how to actually do it right???

thanks for all the help!!
I'm going to make a complete MOCK UP on the engine stand within one month and will post pictures. The length thing is just because of where my turbo is located. The SB lines are a pain in the ass to build, just keep at it and make sure you get all the little pieces in before pushing the fitting on.

[Focus]

Brian can you make this into an HTML page and I will mirror it on my site ?

[Brian MP5T]

Give me some time, I'll put it together for you...

[Focus]

Great !!

[Brian MP5T]

(Lil Freek) Paul said he could would be able to do it soon. I'll get it to you.

[Focus]

(Lil Freek) Paul said he could would be able to do it soon. I'll get it to you.
Any luck with this?

[Brian MP5T]

Any luck with this?
http://members.rogers.com/lilfreek/howto_oilreturn.htm

[Focus]

Here is the mirror:

http://www.mazdaspd.com/resources/howto_oilreturn.html

[Brian MP5T]

Sweet!

[Lil Freek]

man.. you're all so impatient :P

it'll be hosted on ottawaprotege.com once i get my linux box up and running :)

[Brian MP5T]

man.. you're all so impatient :P

it'll be hosted on ottawaprotege.com once i get my linux box up and running :)
Thanks Paul! (cool)

[Lil Freek]

so i'm assuming that what I made is what you wanted?

i kept the BG colour from here.. just to make it a little more 'professional' looking.

[Focus]

Pretty much!

[Brian MP5T]

BUMP: Here is an UPDATE....

The Tap for the Aeroquip fitting is a 1/2 14 NPT Pipe Tap...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20(8).jpg

[vindication]

So, the tap for the aeroquip fitting is a 1/2 14 red X. nice.

[Brian MP5T]

For real? It's on my page.

[vindication]

not on mine. you might have to be logged on for all to see. or maybe my computer sucks balls. either or.

[Brian MP5T]

not on mine. you might have to be logged on for all to see. or maybe my computer sucks balls. either or.
Here's the link...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20(9).jpg

[Georonimo]

old thread... But would it be possible to just grab the windage tray assembly from an MSP? If I have all of the stock lines, it'll be a direct fit, correct?

[Brian MP5T]

Yes

[Georonimo]

awesome, thanks

[Brian MP5T]

Glad To Help...

[Kooldino]

Have you considered using a stainless steel adapter that goes into the block?

[Brian MP5T]

Brass has worked for three years...

[Brian MP5T]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Engine%201.jpg

Update. Here is the finished Product...

[yashart_mp3]

Get the fitting that fits the 1/8" Hole to an AN-4 Hose Fitting.


I thought that the back of the block used a 1/8 BSPT thread, and that the standard 1/8th NPT fitting would not fit this thread...

can you point me to exactly what adapter/fitting i need? thanks!

[yashart_mp3]

bump for answers

[Brian MP5T]

I thought that the back of the block used a 1/8 BSPT thread, and that the standard 1/8th NPT fitting would not fit this thread...

can you point me to exactly what adapter/fitting i need? thanks!

Worked for me YALL.

[ghettobubba2001]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OIL-FILTER-SANDWICH-PLATE-PROTEGE-RX7-MIATA-3-6-MSP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33613QQitemZ8050059 717QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWQQtcZphoto#ebayphotohost ing


anyone ever used this?

[BBSF2]

if u are lookin for a fitting to go into the block, u can try the one that i used, which is located at www.tunertoys.com (http://www.tunertoys.com) and just click on the oil lines on the left hand side of the page, and then look for the oil take off piece. used it wit my turbo setup and it works like a champ, no leaks! it has the right thread pitch for the block and the pressure sender, a take off for the oil feed line, as well as a take off in npt if u happen to have an oil pressure gauge. my two cents
craig

[Blitzd]

Sub

[Rogue]

Brian, did you cut your own hose? You ordered the 6ft hose, but had to put the T in the middle for the oil pressure sensor. How did you put the fittings on the end?

Also, what fitting is that you used on the actual block?

[Brian MP5T]

Brian, did you cut your own hose? You ordered the 6ft hose, but had to put the T in the middle for the oil pressure sensor. How did you put the fittings on the end?

Also, what fitting is that you used on the actual block?

The hose was cut with a dremel cutting wheel. I'll be honest, it was a major pain in the ass to put it together. You have to make sure that every little filiment was in the fitting before screwing in the center piece. The first time it took me almost 30 Min to figure it out. One end will come with tape... Leave it on and twist the fitting on... Where you cut (If Required) you should tape it on both ends to stop it from going crazy...

The fitting is a common 1/8' NPT fitting... NAPA will stock it..

[Rogue]

another question. how do you attach the fitting to the end of the line after you cut it?

[Brian MP5T]

another question. how do you attach the fitting to the end of the line after you cut it?

It's a compression fitting..

The ring goes around the hose and then the fittings second part threads into the center and squishes the shit out of the inside of the hose..

I beleive it is rated for some rediculous PSI like 1000...

[mspeedP5]

another question. how do you attach the fitting to the end of the line after you cut it?

Here's an example of my oil feed line. The large section winds on to the hose counter-clockwise until the hose is fully seated into it. Then the fitting (in this case a 90 degree elbow) threads into that. I used a flaring tool on my dremel to shape the end of the hose to better accept the fitting.

[Brian MP5T]

^^ Solid..

[Rogue]

so it essentially sadwiches the line between the fittings?

[Brian MP5T]

so it essentially sadwiches the line between the fittings?

Yes, with massive force..

[Kansei]

hmm that doesn't look bad at all (building the line)

looking over your parts list, I run into some trouble when I want to T off for my oil temp sensor

with the T you used, or the pic on the summit racing site:
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/aer-fbm2817_w.jpg

I think my temp sensor would block oil flow

see pic here: http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/TurboProject/photo#5013267907584279842

it's the bottom sensor in that pic.

[Kansei]

Also, I probably just missed it, but what about the stock oil pressure sensor?

speedcircuit.net sells this piece:
http://www.speedcircuit.net/images/oil_feed_t_fitting.jpg

and mentions the BSPT-style thread of the stock oil pressure sender... hmm

[Brian MP5T]

hmm that doesn't look bad at all (building the line)

looking over your parts list, I run into some trouble when I want to T off for my oil temp sensor

with the T you used, or the pic on the summit racing site:

I think my temp sensor would block oil flow

see pic here: http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/TurboProject/photo#5013267907584279842

it's the bottom sensor in that pic.

Yeah, the How - To is really maent to be a guide.

It was made years ago.. and no doubt there are probably better parts available.

There are always more than one way to skin a cat.. :)

[JCell]

Damn, i destroyed one of the fitting while trying to squish it in.

there goes 15 bucks :(

[Brian MP5T]

Squish?

[avarela86]

Damn, i destroyed one of the fitting while trying to squish it in.

there goes 15 bucks :(

NEWB.... should've asked me for help. We just finished Andrews car tonite.
Give me a call if you need help you know i'm always down to help a buddy out.

[JCell]

Squish?
yeah, i had the hose inside the fitting with one turn in only, i got excited and left it there for a second because it was a bitch to get it in at all. a few seconds later it popped out and stripped that first thread, thus it is now useless.

luckily with the combined strengh of mazpro and myself we got the second one in so all is well with the world

[Brian MP5T]

They are a bit of a bitch.... Worth the time however.

I have never had a leak from any of them..

[JCell]

good to know, this how to came very handy when purchasing my lines

thanks brian

[the415]

this is awesome info for people with proteges.

[Brian MP5T]

good to know, this how to came very handy when purchasing my lines

thanks brian

No problem..

I did a couple of these as I hit problems with my install in 2003 on....

Hopefully to prevent the wasted man-hours in research for a second and/or third+ time..

By no means is this the only solution... I hope that if anyone has ideas, pleas post them here.

[JCell]

one of my ideas was to run half the stock return line since i don't have a 1/2 tap, so a 10an hose fits tightly over the first half of the pipe, the second half will be using the fitting and welded to the oil pan

it works so i'm happy

i hope that made sense, posting from a cell phone...

[Maz2001MP]

Brian,

What bit did you use to drill the return hole on the crank support plate?

I will need the type and size of drill bit/tap for the 1/2" NPT hole.

I think the size is 23/32 tap bit. Can you confirm this because I know nothing in regards to the tap sizes. Thanks!

P.S. If you can link the part to purchase that would be even better!! (lol2)

[Brian MP5T]

Dude, You Do Not want to buy that part... The tap is like $100

Just borrow it from a local shop or have them do it..

The drill comes with the tap...

[Maz2001MP]

Dude, You Do Not want to buy that part... The tap is like $100

Just borrow it from a local shop or have them do it..

The drill comes with the tap...

Yeah figured it was one of those 2 in 1 drill/taps. Thanks for the info.

[djarkitek]

i broke the tap going into the back of my block off doing this...lesson? never over torque >.<

[P5inder]

I was thinking I might have to use a 'T' fitting and plug both sensors into the same 'T'...

Does anyone know the thread pitch and length of the stock oil pressure sending unit?

I need to know this so I may purchase the correct 'T' fitting in order to hook up both sensors. I don't have a second car so I can't take out the sending unit to find out.

I know I need a male (1/8) for the block but don't know the thread pitch for the females into which each sending unit (stock and after-market) will be screwed.

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!

[CrazyCaker]

i broke the tap going into the back of my block off doing this...lesson? never over torque >.<

Why were you tapping the back of the block? The MBSP (Main Bearing Support Plate) is aluminum, you should have no problems drilling it and tapping it. I did mine while it was still on the car. I used an angle drill and a 22/32" bit which had it's shank reduced to fit the chuck of the angle drill. Tapping the hole 1/2" NPT using a t-handle was the easy part.

[Brian MP5T]

Why were you tapping the back of the block? The MBSP (Main Bearing Support Plate) is aluminum, you should have no problems drilling it and tapping it. I did mine while it was still on the car. I used an angle drill and a 22/32" bit which had it's shank reduced to fit the chuck of the angle drill. Tapping the hole 1/2" NPT using a t-handle was the easy part.

I think it was oil feed line..

[03promaz]

The tap can be purchased at Ace for 16.49, but they do not have the drill bit. Will have to go somewhere else for that.

Stock #1905
Tap 1/2-14 NPT Pipe

[sweetlou69]

SO i replaced my MSP motor with a motor off a 2002 protege.Is this the procdure i should take to run all the lines to get the turbo running properly????

[Brian MP5T]

You should be able to use the stock ones, or fabricate one with this set up..

[cougar10agREDUX]

how thick is the crank support plate? is thread locker enough to seal it or would it need a nut on one side of the crank plate?

[808MP5]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/A%20Project%20-%20%283%29.jpg

hehe... probably a stupid question but what is that big thing tapped into the line?

[Keno1542]

oil pressure sending unit, like for a gauge

[808MP5]

cool... thanks... well i guess i have one of those sitting in a box in my garage... must be for the autometer oil pressure gauge thats also sitting in a box in my garage...

[mspeedP5]

That's the older style I believe. AutoMeter updated it. I think I posted about this somewhere in this thread, or maybe it was in my build thread...?

[CrazyCaker]

That's the older style I believe. AutoMeter updated it. I think I posted about this somewhere in this thread, or maybe it was in my build thread...?


really? have a link to the newer style?

[Crazee D]

What size lines?

[mspeedP5]

really? have a link to the newer style?


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/mspeedP5/Dcp_0112copy.jpg

[CrazyCaker]

^ thanks. looks like a much better design, and takes up a lot less room.