V6 engine?

Kooldino · 11-09-2001, 03:15 PM

I heard of the possibility of putting a late model Ford Probe V6 in our cars...is this do-able?

dolphin · 11-09-2001, 07:41 PM

Yes, but it is not easy. Look over on the Protege tech page at:
protege tech page

actually here is a more direct link:
Protege GT with V6

[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: dolphin ]

APEXistud · 11-10-2001, 12:54 AM

Why? Good way to lower the value of the MP3.

Just playin, but are you really considering this?

MP3Ben · 11-10-2001, 02:44 AM

It may be possible, but I don't think I would do it...

I own a Probe GT actually, and as I've mentioned before, I've had lots of problems with the car over the years. I autocrossed the car before, so that might contribute to a bit of wear, but let me see...

It was a daily driver, now with 177,000 kms on it. I never modded the engine itself, only intake, exhaust, ignition, and various small stuff. On the odd time I drove it pretty hard, but otherwise I'm no maniac and don't launch the car at every stop light or anything, and neither do I redline the car (I've done it a couple times over the years only...surprising?)...

'93 Probe GT, major repairs till now - engine gaskets blown twice (oil leaks), actually a third time as of now, I think...oil's coming through the sparkplug holes...distributor blown twice (damn pricey part), stock sparkplug wires frazzled, ECU problem, had to replace (stock one). Engine was replaced

once, due to (I forgot) but something blown in the bottom end, causing oil to gush unknowingly during one trip, and fried the bottom end.

Minor repairs unrelated to the engine included too many things to mention, but stuff like the 2nd gear blew up after 5 years (OK that's sort of not too bad, but still...), oil gauge was never accurate, replaced 5 times (!!), 02 sensor replaced a couple times, timing belt snapped once (that was due to engine oil leaking on it and screwing up the belt's material), and various failures for emissions tests (after about 5 years of owning the car).

So, I'd be careful about putting in an old Probe engine into the MP3. Maybe I was one of those unlucky ones, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Then again, a fellow with an MX6 in another post claims there were no problems with his car, so who knows? All I'm saying is be careful...

dolphin · 11-10-2001, 10:39 AM

My experince was just the opposite of MP3Ben. I got my MX-6 LX V6 in Jun of 92,and had few problems. It was my autocross car for five seasons and I taught both my children to drive in it. It will probably become my son's daily driver next year.

I agree with APEXistud about ruining an MP3. Now a regular ES is a differnet story.

1ofAkind · 11-12-2001, 05:11 AM

Why is an ES a different story?

StuttersC · 11-12-2001, 05:38 AM

The ES is a different story because there are more than 1500 of them running around, IMO.

1ofAkind · 11-12-2001, 05:51 AM

yeah but the engine is the same except for the ecu. And the strut bar I guess

dolphin · 11-12-2001, 09:12 AM

The ES is a different story because there are a lot of them. All the same bits should fit either car to do this conversion.

Kooldino · 11-13-2001, 08:25 AM

Hey. Well, firstly it wouldn't be an OLD v6 engine, it would be a new one. For now it's just something to consider, even though I'm more likely to go w/ a turbo. I like this car, but I just wanna give it some balls and a few minor non-performance upgrades (new sub, sunroof, etc). I'm just putting the idea here for discussion. Best case scenario, I get a V6 and turbocharge it. That would be baaaad.

dolphin · 11-13-2001, 07:52 PM

Kooldino,
I like that little V6. I haven't had any problems with mine. I just would not put one in an MP3. If I were going to do that, I would start with an ES.

MP3Ben · 11-13-2001, 10:17 PM

I don't really have an opinion on whether dropping a V6 would ruin the MP3 or not (because of it being limited), but I do agree it would be FAST with the V6 and a turbo!

As I said, there are varying experiences with that motor, and it just might be that I got the lemon of the bunch...

If it's a new motor, I'd say it's a helluva lot safer than an old one, that's for sure...or else some guy could sell you a motor like the one I still have in the Probe, and it'd be terrible hehe...I don't think my old Probe motor is in any condition to handle much of anything before it burst open and pistons came flying out LOL...

But yeah, do some research and figure if it's worthwhile and is still a viable option. Good luck!

Kooldino · 11-14-2001, 09:50 AM

will do.

NC_MP3 · 11-14-2001, 03:50 PM

Also remember that the Probe/MX-6 engine is one of the toughest engines to unlock HP on. SCC did an article on that a long time ago. Added a few bolt on's like exhaust and intake and only got like 2 HP hehe.

I would stick with the 4 banger in the MP3 now.

MP3-Owner · 11-14-2001, 06:13 PM

Is the probe engine the KL-ZE? The same engine out of the 626's?

11-09-2001, 03:15 PM	#1
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11-09-2001, 07:41 PM	#2
dolphin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 560	Yes, but it is not easy. Look over on the Protege tech page at: protege tech page actually here is a more direct link: Protege GT with V6 [ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: dolphin ] __________________ Hunter, 1993 MX-6 LS V-6 Cielo, #511 10th Anniversery Edition Miata Ripper, 2007 Shelby GT500

11-10-2001, 12:54 AM	#3
APEXistud I want wheels damnit!!! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,819	Why? Good way to lower the value of the MP3. Just playin, but are you really considering this? __________________

11-10-2001, 02:44 AM	#4
MP3Ben Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 121	It may be possible, but I don't think I would do it... I own a Probe GT actually, and as I've mentioned before, I've had lots of problems with the car over the years. I autocrossed the car before, so that might contribute to a bit of wear, but let me see... It was a daily driver, now with 177,000 kms on it. I never modded the engine itself, only intake, exhaust, ignition, and various small stuff. On the odd time I drove it pretty hard, but otherwise I'm no maniac and don't launch the car at every stop light or anything, and neither do I redline the car (I've done it a couple times over the years only...surprising?)... '93 Probe GT, major repairs till now - engine gaskets blown twice (oil leaks), actually a third time as of now, I think...oil's coming through the sparkplug holes...distributor blown twice (damn pricey part), stock sparkplug wires frazzled, ECU problem, had to replace (stock one). Engine was replaced once, due to (I forgot) but something blown in the bottom end, causing oil to gush unknowingly during one trip, and fried the bottom end. Minor repairs unrelated to the engine included too many things to mention, but stuff like the 2nd gear blew up after 5 years (OK that's sort of not too bad, but still...), oil gauge was never accurate, replaced 5 times (!!), 02 sensor replaced a couple times, timing belt snapped once (that was due to engine oil leaking on it and screwing up the belt's material), and various failures for emissions tests (after about 5 years of owning the car). So, I'd be careful about putting in an old Probe engine into the MP3. Maybe I was one of those unlucky ones, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Then again, a fellow with an MX6 in another post claims there were no problems with his car, so who knows? All I'm saying is be careful... __________________ Mods: MHP carbon fiber CAI, custom ground wire kit, Sparkco plug wires, Denso iridium plugs, B&M short shifter, Momo Shadow shiftknob, Redline engine oil, tranny fluid, and Water Wetter, silvered front signals, white side markers, PIAA fogs, superwhite headlights, red brake calipers, lightweight lugs, shrome valve stems and nozzles, tinted windows, LED blue dome and floor lights, Weatherflector visors, JDM front grill, leather e-brake boot, black Altezza tail lights Next mods: Scammed by Wagner, looking for smog legel header/pipe alternative, Autoexe front lip

11-10-2001, 10:39 AM	#5
dolphin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 560	My experince was just the opposite of MP3Ben. I got my MX-6 LX V6 in Jun of 92,and had few problems. It was my autocross car for five seasons and I taught both my children to drive in it. It will probably become my son's daily driver next year. I agree with APEXistud about ruining an MP3. Now a regular ES is a differnet story. __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

11-12-2001, 05:11 AM	#6
1ofAkind Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 7	Why is an ES a different story?

11-12-2001, 05:38 AM	#7
StuttersC Unemployed Jerk Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Denver area, again Posts: 4,380	The ES is a different story because there are more than 1500 of them running around, IMO. __________________ '05 Mazda6 s .... "How do you value your what you contribute of to add work force? And, which do you most can't the least?"

11-12-2001, 05:51 AM	#8
1ofAkind Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 7	yeah but the engine is the same except for the ecu. And the strut bar I guess

11-12-2001, 09:12 AM	#9
dolphin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 560	The ES is a different story because there are a lot of them. All the same bits should fit either car to do this conversion. __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

11-13-2001, 08:25 AM	#10
Kooldino MOTM Winner Jan '09 Donated: $20 Administrator Authorized Vendor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,638	Hey. Well, firstly it wouldn't be an OLD v6 engine, it would be a new one. For now it's just something to consider, even though I'm more likely to go w/ a turbo. I like this car, but I just wanna give it some balls and a few minor non-performance upgrades (new sub, sunroof, etc). I'm just putting the idea here for discussion. Best case scenario, I get a V6 and turbocharge it. That would be baaaad. __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

11-13-2001, 07:52 PM	#11
dolphin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 560	Kooldino, I like that little V6. I haven't had any problems with mine. I just would not put one in an MP3. If I were going to do that, I would start with an ES. __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

11-13-2001, 10:17 PM	#12
MP3Ben Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 121	I don't really have an opinion on whether dropping a V6 would ruin the MP3 or not (because of it being limited), but I do agree it would be FAST with the V6 and a turbo! As I said, there are varying experiences with that motor, and it just might be that I got the lemon of the bunch... If it's a new motor, I'd say it's a helluva lot safer than an old one, that's for sure...or else some guy could sell you a motor like the one I still have in the Probe, and it'd be terrible hehe...I don't think my old Probe motor is in any condition to handle much of anything before it burst open and pistons came flying out LOL... But yeah, do some research and figure if it's worthwhile and is still a viable option. Good luck! __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

11-14-2001, 09:50 AM	#13
Kooldino MOTM Winner Jan '09 Donated: $20 Administrator Authorized Vendor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,638	will do. __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

11-14-2001, 03:50 PM	#14
NC_MP3 Yes You Are Bitch Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NC Posts: 1,050	Also remember that the Probe/MX-6 engine is one of the toughest engines to unlock HP on. SCC did an article on that a long time ago. Added a few bolt on's like exhaust and intake and only got like 2 HP hehe. I would stick with the 4 banger in the MP3 now. __________________ Performance Mods: Mazdaspeed Intake Cam Mazdaspeed Exhaust Cam Spool Stage 3 Turbo Tial Wastegate Greddy Type S BOV Tripoint Engineering Flywheel ACT Heavey Duty Pressure Plate ACT Street Disc AWR Engine Mounts B&M Short Shifter HKS Carbon-Ti Muffler 3 Inch Exhaust Ground Control Coilovers G15/G25 Hybrid Tranny Mazdaspeed Adjustable Struts AWR Adjustable Endlinks Protege ES ECU Show Mods: ADR Kasai 17 Inch Wheels Nitto 555 205/40 Tires Wings West CF Hood Autoexe Grill Interior: Greddy EGT Guage Tenzo R Shift Knob

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