EMS solutions for the MSP

Black Majik MSP · 11-22-2004, 01:31 PM

I hardly know anything about EMS, but I thought I'd try to organize this EMS bickering into something constructive. I think the only way to properly choose a tuning option is to compare them independently of the car they are installed in.

*EDIT: All of the names are now links to where each can be purchased.*

AEM EMS
Base Price: $1875
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Beau @ MAM
Controllable Functions: Everything

Pros: Offers a complete standalone setup & does it very well
Cons: Very complex & very expensive
Final Word: Doesn't seem necessary unless you're building a Protege race car or you're a "Super Tuner"

Haltech E6x
Base Price: $1400
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Juan @ HiBoost
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing
Pros: Dependable
Cons: None
Final Word: Probably the best choice for Protege owners looking to make big #s & still be daily drivers.

Unichip
Base Price: $875
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: No
Tuner: Unichip dealers/Corksport
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing (manipulated)
Pros: good #s from current, limited tuning map
Cons: no user adjustability (must be sent to a Unichip dealer to reflash)
Final Word: Perfect for people looking for a "chip" upgrade that you can install & forget

MPI Tuner
Base Price: $750
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel, Timing
Tuner: MPNick @ Modern Performance
Pros: Very widely used, tradeable maps
Cons: Steep learning curve
Final Word: Good choice for experienced tuner

GReddy Emanage
Base Price: $289
Extras Needed: Injector Harness ($37), Ignition Harness ($39), Software ($114)
Laptop Compatible: No
Tuner: None
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel
Pros: ??
Cons: Difficult to install & tweak, requires Profec E-01 ($509) for extra functions, no timing control
Final Word: Now that AFC is available, I don't see any point in buying this.

Airflow Logistics AFC
Base Price: $285 (GB)
Extras Needed: Boost Control (depends on method), FTC (significantly more $$)
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: DSMConvert/Airflow Logistics/Split Second
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel
Pros: On the fly tuning via R4 software...simply hook up the laptop and adjust/tune as needed. Maps can be traded electronically (windows files)
Cons: No timing control
Final Word: Great option for those looking for cheap tuning while still yielding decent #s.

I can add more to this as I get more info or if anyone has suggestions.

DSMConvert · 11-22-2004, 02:15 PM

Eeek! You've got our totally wrong....

Airflow Logistics AFC
Base Price: $285 (GB)
Extras Needed:
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: DSMConvert/Airflow Logistics/Split Second
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel
Pros: On the fly tuning via R4 software, simply hook up the laptop and adjust/tune as needed. maps can be traded electronically(windows files)
Cons: no timing control
Final Word:

Focus · 11-22-2004, 02:23 PM

MPI tuner should read like this:

MPI Tuner
Base Price: $750
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Controllable Functions: Fuel, timing
Tuner: MPNick @ Modern Performance / User Programmeable
Pros: Most widely used, maps available
Cons: Steep Learning curve
Final Word:

jersey_emt · 11-22-2004, 02:29 PM

Stickied, fixed, updated.

FSDET · 11-23-2004, 01:16 AM

u cant tune emanage with a laptop ???

hello2000 · 11-23-2004, 01:21 AM

You can use a laptop with the e-manage

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazdaspdprotege

u cant tune emanage with a laptop ???

FSDET · 11-23-2004, 01:21 AM

thats what i thought

low_psi · 11-23-2004, 01:31 AM

Emanage can also do timing if you buy the timing harness. You'll also need an o2 signal modifier($100) regardless.

MPNick · 11-23-2004, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Focus

MPI tuner should read like this:

MPI Tuner
Base Price: $750
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Controllable Functions: Fuel, timing
Tuner: MPNick @ Modern Performance / User Programmeable
Pros: Most widely used, maps available
Cons: Steep Learning curve
Final Word:

does upto four extra injetors, plus upto 12psi with only the stock injectors, does full timing control with boost retard has a built in O2 clamp.

The base system has made upto 240whp with stock injectors only. You should run extra injectors above 220whp.

TurfBurn · 11-23-2004, 06:41 AM

Add this one too.. coming in about 2 months:

Microtech LT8S
Base Price: ~1400
Extras Needed: NONE
Laptop Compatible: Yes, Also handset controllable option
Tuner: User - Assistance from NSN Motorsports
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel/timing/pump accel/auxillary
Pros: One of the easiest to use EMS's in existence. Full standalone capability. Feature Loaded
Cons: Re-Configuration requires sending back to Australia (~2 week turnaround)
Final Word: Coming in 2-3 months

Also can do auxillary injectors, 4 tuning modes, piggyback-able, 3-D mapping, auxillary inputs and outputs, can be user configurable to user requested numbers of load map points and timing points etc, full timing control, fuel control, water modification, air temp modification, cruise modification, WOT modification, timing modification at all previous mod points, reads 25 psi on internal MAP, upgradeable to 45 psi at purchase. Can drive independent coils, batch fire and sequential fire of injectors. And more...

Spooled · 11-27-2004, 01:11 AM

I think Emanage needs to be corrected. You don't need the E01 to access the extra functions. In fact, you can access the most with a laptop. Also, you can control timing with 16x16 maps just like fuel delivery. It's much more powerful than a lot of people think.

Edit: You can trade maps with it, too.

orangezoom · 11-27-2004, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooled

I think Emanage needs to be corrected. You don't need the E01 to access the extra functions. In fact, you can access the most with a laptop. Also, you can control timing with 16x16 maps just like fuel delivery. It's much more powerful than a lot of people think.

Edit: You can trade maps with it, too.

Amen,totally wrong

jurgs01 · 11-27-2004, 06:54 PM

Tuning software and a list of those who have the EMS would be a good addition. If you list those who have it (or are willing to be listed) it will give people the option to get help from each other.

CWiLL · 11-27-2004, 07:03 PM

AEM EMS
Base Price: $1875
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Beau @ MAM
Controllable Functions: Everything

Pros: Offers a complete standalone setup & does it very well
Cons: Very complex & very expensive
Final Word: Doesn't seem necessary unless you're building a Protege race car or you're a "Super Tuner"

Haltech E6x
Base Price: $1400
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Juan @ HiBoost
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing
Pros: Dependable
Cons: None
Final Word: Probably the best choice for Protege owners looking to make big #s & still be daily drivers.

I totaly dis agree with the haltech vs aem.... aem is very user friendly and easier to tune then haltech.... no one wil give maps with the haltech because it is almost impossible to tune unless you've had experence. ive tried to get my friends civic to run on the haltech and we couldnt get it to idol. now he uses a Vortech fmu and a SAFC and puts 624 down on a b16. we gave up on haltech, aem is going in the protege and the civic soon.

Focus · 11-27-2004, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWiLL

AEM EMS
Base Price: $1875
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Beau @ MAM
Controllable Functions: Everything

Pros: Offers a complete standalone setup & does it very well
Cons: Very complex & very expensive
Final Word: Doesn't seem necessary unless you're building a Protege race car or you're a "Super Tuner"

Haltech E6x
Base Price: $1400
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Juan @ HiBoost
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing
Pros: Dependable
Cons: None
Final Word: Probably the best choice for Protege owners looking to make big #s & still be daily drivers.

I totaly dis agree with the haltech vs aem.... aem is very user friendly and easier to tune then haltech.... no one wil give maps with the haltech because it is almost impossible to tune unless you've had experence. ive tried to get my friends civic to run on the haltech and we couldnt get it to idol. now he uses a Vortech fmu and a SAFC and puts 624 down on a b16. we gave up on haltech, aem is going in the protege and the civic soon.

This thread is not for discussion or argument of EMS systems, rather as information only.

11-22-2004, 01:31 PM	#1
Black Majik MSP Turbo Addict Donated: 30$ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Weston, FL Posts: 4,996	EMS solutions for the MSP I hardly know anything about EMS, but I thought I'd try to organize this EMS bickering into something constructive. I think the only way to properly choose a tuning option is to compare them independently of the car they are installed in. EDIT: All of the names are now links to where each can be purchased. AEM EMS Base Price: $1875 Extras Needed: ?? Laptop Compatible: Yes Tuner: Beau @ MAM Controllable Functions: Everything Pros: Offers a complete standalone setup & does it very well Cons: Very complex & very expensive Final Word: Doesn't seem necessary unless you're building a Protege race car or you're a "Super Tuner" Haltech E6x Base Price: $1400 Extras Needed: ?? Laptop Compatible: Yes Tuner: Juan @ HiBoost Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing Pros: Dependable Cons: None Final Word: Probably the best choice for Protege owners looking to make big #s & still be daily drivers. Unichip Base Price: $875 Extras Needed: ?? Laptop Compatible: No Tuner: Unichip dealers/Corksport Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing (manipulated) Pros: good #s from current, limited tuning map Cons: no user adjustability (must be sent to a Unichip dealer to reflash) Final Word: Perfect for people looking for a "chip" upgrade that you can install & forget MPI Tuner Base Price: $750 Extras Needed: ?? Laptop Compatible: Yes Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel, Timing Tuner: MPNick @ Modern Performance Pros: Very widely used, tradeable maps Cons: Steep learning curve Final Word: Good choice for experienced tuner GReddy Emanage Base Price: $289 Extras Needed: Injector Harness ($37), Ignition Harness ($39), Software ($114) Laptop Compatible: No Tuner: None Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel Pros: ?? Cons: Difficult to install & tweak, requires Profec E-01 ($509) for extra functions, no timing control Final Word: Now that AFC is available, I don't see any point in buying this. Airflow Logistics AFC Base Price: $285 (GB) Extras Needed: Boost Control (depends on method), FTC (significantly more $$) Laptop Compatible: Yes Tuner: DSMConvert/Airflow Logistics/Split Second Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel Pros: On the fly tuning via R4 software...simply hook up the laptop and adjust/tune as needed. Maps can be traded electronically (windows files) Cons: No timing control Final Word: Great option for those looking for cheap tuning while still yielding decent #s. I can add more to this as I get more info or if anyone has suggestions. __________________ Drive a Mazda & live in South FL?...post your info in the SFL Member List Looking to tune your turbo Protege?...EMS Solutions for the MSP Thinking of getting an MSP?...check out the PROS & CONS WOOT! Clear corners are HERE Last edited by Black Majik MSP; 11-23-2004 at 12:08 AM.

11-22-2004, 02:15 PM	#2
DSMConvert AWD...say Bye Bye Retired AMM..Got Bingo? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,460	Eeek! You've got our totally wrong.... Airflow Logistics AFC Base Price: $285 (GB) Extras Needed: Laptop Compatible: Yes Tuner: DSMConvert/Airflow Logistics/Split Second Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel Pros: On the fly tuning via R4 software, simply hook up the laptop and adjust/tune as needed. maps can be traded electronically(windows files) Cons: no timing control Final Word: __________________ Now offers 2 versions of our ever popular AFC Version I...the original... Version II...includes 4 logging channels in addition to the ones included with version I. The most noteable beign the ability to log wideband o2 signals on the same graph with rpm, boost, etc... In addition we do offer our AFC version I & II with built in timing retard for those of you wanting a little added safety at high boost/rpm levels...This is only offered on a limited individual basis. Last edited by DSMConvert; 11-22-2004 at 02:22 PM.

11-22-2004, 02:23 PM	#3
Focus Transmission Destroyer Approved Merchant Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,743	MPI tuner should read like this: MPI Tuner Base Price: $750 Extras Needed: ?? Laptop Compatible: Yes Controllable Functions: Fuel, timing Tuner: MPNick @ Modern Performance / User Programmeable Pros: Most widely used, maps available Cons: Steep Learning curve Final Word: __________________

11-22-2004, 02:29 PM	#4
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11-23-2004, 01:16 AM	#5
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11-23-2004, 01:21 AM	#7
FSDET Ex-Banana MSP Owner Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Burbank, California Posts: 2,608	thats what i thought __________________ Sigs are visible only in your first post on a page. To change your thread display preferences, click here and enable 'Always Show Signature'.

11-23-2004, 01:31 AM	#8
low_psi mx3ownzj00 Donated: $10 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: \|tejas\| Posts: 8,172	Emanage can also do timing if you buy the timing harness. You'll also need an o2 signal modifier($100) regardless. __________________

11-23-2004, 06:41 AM	#10
TurfBurn NSN Motorsports Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Central Wisconsin Posts: 5,661	Add this one too.. coming in about 2 months: Microtech LT8S Base Price: ~1400 Extras Needed: NONE Laptop Compatible: Yes, Also handset controllable option Tuner: User - Assistance from NSN Motorsports Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel/timing/pump accel/auxillary Pros: One of the easiest to use EMS's in existence. Full standalone capability. Feature Loaded Cons: Re-Configuration requires sending back to Australia (~2 week turnaround) Final Word: Coming in 2-3 months Also can do auxillary injectors, 4 tuning modes, piggyback-able, 3-D mapping, auxillary inputs and outputs, can be user configurable to user requested numbers of load map points and timing points etc, full timing control, fuel control, water modification, air temp modification, cruise modification, WOT modification, timing modification at all previous mod points, reads 25 psi on internal MAP, upgradeable to 45 psi at purchase. Can drive independent coils, batch fire and sequential fire of injectors. And more... __________________ Technical blog now available: Tuned to Think Feel free to provide suggestions for future articles. Last edited by TurfBurn; 12-17-2004 at 02:37 PM.

11-27-2004, 01:11 AM	#11
Spooled Brakes just slow you down Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,601	I think Emanage needs to be corrected. You don't need the E01 to access the extra functions. In fact, you can access the most with a laptop. Also, you can control timing with 16x16 maps just like fuel delivery. It's much more powerful than a lot of people think. Edit: You can trade maps with it, too. __________________ Speedy no more...

11-27-2004, 06:54 PM	#13
jurgs01 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Moscow, Idaho Posts: 1,960	Tuning software and a list of those who have the EMS would be a good addition. If you list those who have it (or are willing to be listed) it will give people the option to get help from each other. __________________ Sold 2003 Black Mica MSP (Second one)

11-27-2004, 07:03 PM	#14
CWiLL 400whp P5 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ft. Larderdale Fl. Posts: 712	AEM EMS Base Price: $1875 Extras Needed: ?? Laptop Compatible: Yes Tuner: Beau @ MAM Controllable Functions: Everything Pros: Offers a complete standalone setup & does it very well Cons: Very complex & very expensive Final Word: Doesn't seem necessary unless you're building a Protege race car or you're a "Super Tuner" Haltech E6x Base Price: $1400 Extras Needed: ?? Laptop Compatible: Yes Tuner: Juan @ HiBoost Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing Pros: Dependable Cons: None Final Word: Probably the best choice for Protege owners looking to make big #s & still be daily drivers. I totaly dis agree with the haltech vs aem.... aem is very user friendly and easier to tune then haltech.... no one wil give maps with the haltech because it is almost impossible to tune unless you've had experence. ive tried to get my friends civic to run on the haltech and we couldnt get it to idol. now he uses a Vortech fmu and a SAFC and puts 624 down on a b16. we gave up on haltech, aem is going in the protege and the civic soon.

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